Official 2020 Rome DL Live Discussion Thread - Jakob vs Jacob ---We're about to find out who's better over 3000

the beagle wrote:

big 3000 wrote:

Lol. Of course he would focus on the 1500. You're much more of a mega star winning a 1500 than a 5000. 5000 is where the slower runners go. Or aged runners. Like Kiplimo.

That’s odd Coevett because last year Jakob was 5th in the 5000m but 4th in the 1500m.

Oh man, you're totally right el kenyano. You got me. Should be clear that as you move up in distance the guys are faster. This is why Rudisha has the 800 WR and has finished 1st so many times there but could never manage better than 4th in the 1000.

big 3000 wrote:

the beagle wrote:

That’s odd Coevett because last year Jakob was 5th in the 5000m but 4th in the 1500m.

Oh man, you're totally right el kenyano. You got me. Should be clear that as you move up in distance the guys are faster. This is why Rudisha has the 800 WR and has finished 1st so many times there but could never manage better than 4th in the 1000.

Try again with at least basic logic next time. You’re refuting your own argument.

rojo wrote:

lt man wrote:

Kiplimo won but I'm still more impressed with Jakob. For him to race so much this year, focusing on the 1500, then still fast enough to run 7:27 is impressive. You can tell the race felt just a little long to him compared to what he's been running.

I still give Jakob the edge in a 5k next year in the Olympics against Kiplimo. Jakob will probably run the 1500 though.

This might be one of the worst takes I've ever seen. The 5k/10k outkicked the 1500/5000 guy in a 3k while coming from behing and you now say you think the 1500/5k guy will beat him if they race at 5k?

There are some pretty strange Jakob fans on this site. They celebrate him winning races he has lost, they celebrate him winning races he didn't run, even races from the future. Everything is Jakob this, Jakob that. It's quite shocking.

Anthos wrote:

rojo wrote:

This might be one of the worst takes I've ever seen. The 5k/10k outkicked the 1500/5000 guy in a 3k while coming from behing and you now say you think the 1500/5k guy will beat him if they race at 5k?

There are some pretty strange Jakob fans on this site. They celebrate him winning races he has lost, they celebrate him winning races he didn't run, even races from the future. Everything is Jakob this, Jakob that. It's quite shocking.

Their approach to logic is a lot like Donald Trump fans who'll justify and excuse anything he does.

19 year old recording a 1258 points performance in a distance double the length of his favorite distance...

How about the guy who actually came in 1st, in a distance probably around a third the length of his favourite distance, in a surface that maybe is not his best? Oh, and he may be the same age

Favorite distance: lower points

2nd best distance: lower points

Of course very good also, but...

what about the other wrote:

How about the guy who actually came in 1st, in a distance probably around a third the length of his favourite distance, in a surface that maybe is not his best? Oh, and he may be the same age

Precisely. They are starting a brand of revisionism that would embarrass even political types. All of a sudden coming second is superior to coming first. The winners gets frozen out and they indulge in theory and scenario building around the one who got beaten. At this rate, gold medals will be handed to people who came second or didn't make the podium. People need to restrain their enthusiasm sometimes. There is a growing trend of recognizing 2nd or third position before first, especially when Ingebrigtsen is racing.

George Manangoi, where is he now?

Samuel Tefera, where is he now?

We have had this discussion before. You are, there is a pattern to be recognized, and it is about future peaking. Jakob has reached a new peak every year and continues to reach new peaks.

I saw the startlist for the norwegian Championchip for this weekend. I found Jakobs name in the 800m, 1500m, steeple, 5000m and 10000m race. I misunderstood something or what a kind of madness is this? has anybody got further information? How he can do that with a 7:27 in his legs?

i think jakob ran the time he is capable of running at this moment. I believe Jacob could have run a 7:24 or 7:25. This is the true difference in what happened during the final 100 meters. Kiplimo just had more left in him.

Bad Wigins wrote:

KaareV wrote:

Yes. But again. This is an occular "evidence". You ought to develope your argument. But surely, you have the GRIT to write what you just did. There is no way we can decide on this. I have not written that he has the grit, just wondering how do you know.

He keeps coming in 2nd every time he races someone of equal ability. These opponents aren't better than him, they're running about the same times. When you lose every close finish you're in, the conclusion is inescapable.

"The conclusion is inescapble". And the conclusion is : "Jacob ain't go the GRIT". And in your MIND there is no other alternative explanation. Let's try just some, of many 1.Jakob has pushed himself over the limit, because he has so much GRIT, that it is impossible for him, because of the lactat level 2. When Jakob "races someone with equal ability" he always wins, but when he races with two or three with supirior ability, "he keeps coming on 2nd. But it shows that he has the GRIT. Your way of reasoning, Bad Wiggins, will be used in a logic course. And now I rest my case. I have seen other of your posts, and the conclusion is: Don't mind the rules of logic, just play to "win"..... You are convinced, and when people are convinced, they tend to etc. etc. etc.

Freediverunner wrote:

I saw the startlist for the norwegian Championchip for this weekend. I found Jakobs name in the 800m, 1500m, steeple, 5000m and 10000m race. I misunderstood something or what a kind of madness is this? has anybody got further information? How he can do that with a 7:27 in his legs?

He says that he was not informed, but that, at this moment. he will only run 1500 m.

It was great to see Elain T back in some semblance of the form that saw her dominate 2016/2017. That was sparkling 10.85 run. Now to get her SAFP and Richardson to throw down.

Anthos wrote:

what about the other wrote:

How about the guy who actually came in 1st, in a distance probably around a third the length of his favourite distance, in a surface that maybe is not his best? Oh, and he may be the same age

Precisely. They are starting a brand of revisionism that would embarrass even political types. All of a sudden coming second is superior to coming first. The winners gets frozen out and they indulge in theory and scenario building around the one who got beaten. At this rate, gold medals will be handed to people who came second or didn't make the podium. People need to restrain their enthusiasm sometimes. There is a growing trend of recognizing 2nd or third position before first, especially when Ingebrigtsen is racing.

Jakob peaked for Monaco on August 14th, more than a month prior to this. Kiplimo peaked for his 5k on September 8th, just 9 days prior to this race.

It's been a long season for Jakob. This was also Jakobs 3rd race in 2 weeks. Jakob on August 14th would beat Kiplimo on any day in a 3k.

Jakob I. still has not refined a gold medal kick. That will be the next phase in his development. He gets out-kicked way too frequently in championship races.

NYDCRunner1 wrote:

It was great to see Elain T back in some semblance of the form that saw her dominate 2016/2017. That was sparkling 10.85 run. Now to get her SAFP and Richardson to throw down.

Yep, that was a crisp 10.85, she looked very good throughout the race, although I did see some tightening. If she let that speed flow more at the end, we’d be looking at a 10.7

Del Ponte under-performed, Hobbs was blocky and tight, and Ta Lou seems like she has been taking this year semi-easy.

What a pair for the JAM relay, they are both baaaack.

Maybe Dolt should come back after all.

[quote]Standard Setter wrote:

Jakob I. still has not refined a gold medal kick. That will be the next phase in his development. He gets out-kicked way too frequently in championship races.[/q

He will never get that kick. Naturally to slow. But he might outrun his opponents on the last 300 m - in the future. By the way, too freqently in championship races? Only twice, in Doha. And 5000 London last year, 3000 in Rome, and sure by Cheruiyot. But by all means; he is young.

Sprintgeezer wrote:

NYDCRunner1 wrote:

It was great to see Elain T back in some semblance of the form that saw her dominate 2016/2017. That was sparkling 10.85 run. Now to get her SAFP and Richardson to throw down.

Yep, that was a crisp 10.85, she looked very good throughout the race, although I did see some tightening. If she let that speed flow more at the end, we’d be looking at a 10.7

Del Ponte under-performed, Hobbs was blocky and tight, and Ta Lou seems like she has been taking this year semi-easy.

What a pair for the JAM relay, they are both baaaack.

Maybe Dolt should come back after all.

Yeah, Ta'Lou is a shadow of her former self. Not even an 11:00 this year.

I seem to recall that Hobbs had surgery on either a hamstring or was it a knee? I don't know much about her, but I never had her as one of those sprinters with that extra gear.

Elaine's mechanics are near perfect. I look forward to her and SAFP competing. I hope we don't get a repeat of that Bolt/Blake foolishness where they did not compete against each other except for for global championships.

Bolt can return and dominate the 100 if they kick Coleman to the curb.