Rheinhardt Harrison did a 17:56 5k late August which was a time way below his skill level. Even with no specific 5k training a 4:01 runner in top condition should be able to go faster than this... What gives?
Rheinhardt Harrison did a 17:56 5k late August which was a time way below his skill level. Even with no specific 5k training a 4:01 runner in top condition should be able to go faster than this... What gives?
Coulda just been doing it for fun. Was it some soccer mom 5k? I’m capable of low 16s but no way in heck I’d run it at a 5k where the average time will be 30 minutes and I’d win by a large margin in 17:30ish.
I don’t know tho. I could do a 17:50 and have it be a solid tempo but I’m a 4:20 guy not a 4:01 guy and I’d imagine that would be upper easy pace teetering on moderate for a 4:01 guy
A 17:50 for a 4:01 runner would be a jog. I'm more of a distance type, but when I was capable of 4:20s for the mile, running under 6 pace was basically putting one leg in front of another. I'd imagine that would be ridiculously easy pace for a 4:01 runner.
CopperRunner wrote:
Coulda just been doing it for fun. Was it some soccer mom 5k? I’m capable of low 16s but no way in heck I’d run it at a 5k where the average time will be 30 minutes and I’d win by a large margin in 17:30ish.
I don’t know tho. I could do a 17:50 and have it be a solid tempo but I’m a 4:20 guy not a 4:01 guy and I’d imagine that would be upper easy pace teetering on moderate for a 4:01 guy
It wasn't a fast race that's for sure. 1st place was a 15:33. It was a damn near even split which makes me think it was a training run of some sort, but why go to a timed race for it?
fdasfadsfdsaf wrote:
A 17:50 for a 4:01 runner would be a jog. I'm more of a distance type, but when I was capable of 4:20s for the mile, running under 6 pace was basically putting one leg in front of another. I'd imagine that would be ridiculously easy pace for a 4:01 runner.
Agreed.
I have seen fast runners much slower than their usual pace if they acted as pacer for a friend. Maybe this was the reason?
I bet he was pacing someone to sub 18
You don't consider 15:33 to be a fast 5k?
Some states are notorious for short courses. People get spoiled with the fast times. Some states have nobody breaking 15:30 because the courses are tough and accurate.
Fakeoff wrote:
Rheinhardt Harrison did a 17:56 5k late August which was a time way below his skill level. Even with no specific 5k training a 4:01 runner in top condition should be able to go faster than this... What gives?
He's been racing mile races all through August. Completely BURNED OUT for XC with zero base. Another Tinman classic.
wake up bro wrote:
Fakeoff wrote:
Rheinhardt Harrison did a 17:56 5k late August which was a time way below his skill level. Even with no specific 5k training a 4:01 runner in top condition should be able to go faster than this... What gives?
He's been racing mile races all through August. Completely BURNED OUT for XC with zero base. Another Tinman classic.
You may be correct, but this was a week inbetween his 4:01, and his 4:02. He was not burned out at the time. You don't just do 4:01, 17:56, and then 4:02 the next week and be "burned out".
Dr. of Nothing wrote:
Some states are notorious for short courses. People get spoiled with the fast times. Some states have nobody breaking 15:30 because the courses are tough and accurate.
I din't think it was that. His closest teammate was a good 10 or so seconds behind him, and that seems like a waste of time for someone of his caliber, and the timing in the season. This was during an inbetween week of a 4:01, and a 4:02.
fibcfxhjj wrote:
You don't consider 15:33 to be a fast 5k?
For a 4:01 miler in peak shape, no.
Partridge wrote:
I have seen fast runners much slower than their usual pace if they acted as pacer for a friend. Maybe this was the reason?
That is reasonable, but why pace someone if its during a race? It seems more logical for the person he's pacing to just race and they'll PR that way. It seems odd for a top national runner to have to pace someone to sub 18, a number most freshman can hit.
Except it was a 4:30 miler.