Officially over 200,000 dead Americans from Covid-19

RSTUV Anon wrote:

How many who die of auto accidents are obese or diabetic or have cancer? Most but they DIE from the accident. We don’t count deaths by what the would’ve died from eventually.

I can't believe no one has called out this gem yet. Here's the difference junior. Auto accidents that are bad enough to kill will kill regardless of age, health, or weight. There is a completely equal change of death. Corona does not work that way. Age, health, and weight matter tremendously and therefore should be factors taken into consideration when evaluating fatalities and the types of precautions the world should take.

And since you brought up automobiles, I assume you would be in favor of the elimination of all non-emergency motorized vehicles? Not only would the number of lives saved be astronomical, we could also be on our way to solving the obesity problem that Corona is currently feasting upon since we'd be biking/walking everywhere. Two birds with one stone right?

Taiwan is an example of how a large country very close to the proble aws able to manage well the response. You can't see that?

Newsflash: Peru, Bolivia, Chile, Ecuador, and Brazil are all mismanaged third world countries.

We can only go by the numbers published, and the US currently has 25% of the world cases, that's a fact. You either believe that or think it's inaccurate base on your "feeling". If you want to claim there are too many variables in "cases" it that fine too, don't draw any conclusion from cases and go by deaths:

The US has the 11th worst number of deaths/population in the world.

Actually, that would be great.

Allen53 wrote:

Precious Roy wrote:

Calling bullsh#t. The Imperial College of London....

Anyone with half a brain would stop reading right there and get a paper towel to wipe up the coffee they just spewed.

Anyone who cites the (always wrong) hysterical Imperial College is obviously a controlled Big Pharma stooge. You waiting on those Moderna returns Roy? Maybe a few coins in the AstraZeneca profile there Mr. Specious?

Imperial College?>>>>BWAHAHA. Corruption and Filth Inc. as your sources- what's new?

The Imperial College; Neil Ferguson for Covid-19 mortality predictions (0.5 million in UK) accepted £184 million from B. Gates.

Quick Quiz RoyBoy how much did the Gates Foundation "donate" to the Imperial college in March 2020?

Silly rabbit. That post was actually making a claim you would support. They were claiming that 2/3rds of people who die of COVID would have died of something else within a similar time period. I guess you are coming around to my side now.

Yes, I can see that fine. It was not, however, your point at all. It would be topic of a separate discussion. Here, it is just a deflection from you previous statements which were proven wrong.

Ecuador is arguably not. Neither is Spain, which you omitted. This has been covered. You are merely repeating yourself, while ignoring or even acknowledging legitimate counter-points or the clearly erroneous nature of your original premise. That's a politician tactic (for example, Trump does that all the time).

No, you can go by more at times, and one time you can do that is when statistics are undeniably incomplete. No one with any knowledge of this thinks infections and death statistics in Africa or India, for example, are anywhere near comprehensive. So in a situation where you are making the incredible claim that the US has 25% of the world's Covid infections, one can certainly and credibly dispute that claim due to lack of available statistics. And you have STILL dodged the questions I asked: You don't really believe the US has 25% of the world's Covid cases, do you? You don't believe it even has 10% of the world's Covid cases, do you? I bolded them for you so you can't miss them. Is there any way you can answer those without dodging? It can't be that hard to simply answer them.

Yes. Yes, it does. And I had to point that out to YOU.

In ANY case, that was NOT your original premise, dodgeboy. HERE is what YOU stated: "The US is top 7-8 in deaths per population with all others third world mismanaged poor countries." As shown above several times now, you are wrong as to both (1) the rank and (2) the other countries around the US rank. As explained above, you are also deliberately misleading (disingenuous) by cutting off the list at the US - it fails to give the complete picture.

As pointed out to you above, here is the list of the top 20 countries (only read down to 11 if you can't handle 20) of death/population. I have annotated the list this time, so you can try to better comprehend your erroneous statement that "The US is top 7-8 in deaths per population with all others third world mismanaged poor countries"

San Marino - NOT "third world mismanaged poor"

Peru

Belgium - NOT "third world mismanaged poor"

Andorra - NOT "third world mismanaged poor"

Spain - NOT "third world mismanaged poor"

Bolivia

Chile

Brazil

Ecuador - arguably NOT "third world mismanaged poor"

UK - NOT "third world mismanaged poor"

USA - country in question

Italy - NOT "third world mismanaged poor"

Sweden - NOT "third world mismanaged poor"

Mexico

Panama - arguably NOT "third world mismanaged poor"

France - NOT "third world mismanaged poor"

Colombia

Sint Maarten - NOT "third world mismanaged poor"

Netherlands - NOT "third world mismanaged poor"

Ireland - NOT "third world mismanaged poor"

When you posted this: "The US is top 7-8 in deaths per population with all others third world mismanaged poor countries", you were WRONG.

Stop the trolling

Facts:

1. Most of the top 10 worst are mismanaged third world countries:

2. The US, world superpower had had the 11th worst response in the world, not the 7-8th

San Marino

Peru 1

Belgium

Andorra

Spain

Bolivia 2

Chile 3

Brazil 4

Ecuador 5

UK

USA

It's unnecessary to post a whole page of text to say that it's 11th, and not 7-8th worst. Is that really what got you panties in a bunch?

Shelton wrote:

An Italian study found the average person who died from covid died 11 years earlier than would be expected.

That is on average a significant amount of time.

Either way this is a time to come together as a nation and take a moment to remember all of them.

Data?

Almost There wrote:

joedirt wrote:

It’s worth reiterating that the average life expectancy of people in a nursing homes is five months, so many of the people who died five or more months ago in New York when Cuomo was vectoring COVID infections to the most vulnerable populations, would have died by now regardless.

This is a gawddam lie. Avg life expectancy as 14 months. Median was 5 month. Thanks for showing the rest of us how mathematically illiterate you are.

So what you are saying is that most people last 5 months, while the averages are skewed high because maybe some people live a long time in homes. DO you realize that you mocking his math skills actually proves his point even better? Do you understand what median means or do you just like to correct reading errors but do not understand the words you are reading?

CorrectorII wrote:

It's unnecessary to post a whole page of text to say that it's 11th, and not 7-8th worst. Is that really what got you panties in a bunch?

No. That portion of the false statement by you was easily shown to be false. You haven't really tried to dodge your false rank of the US, so that's not what "got my panties in a bunch." Below, I have bolded the portion of your false statement that "got my panties in a bunch." I shouldn't (and probably don't) need to bold it for you, because I've explained why it is FALSE three times now and I assume you are literate enough to understand. But I've bolded it anyway, for ease of reference.

"The US is top 7-8 in deaths per population with all others third world mismanaged poor countries."

That bolded part is FALSE and wrong. That has been shown to you several times now.

Also, there is still this outstanding: "Heck of a job for the US with 25% of cases, but 4% of the world population."

You posted that with a gleeful tone of sarcasm ("Heck of a job"). That was impulsive of you, because the statement is clearly a stupid one, and you have since dodged all questions about it. That also "got my panties in a bunch." The questions you continue to dodge were even bolded for you above so you could miss them, but you dodged them nonetheless. They are are "You don't really believe the US has 25% of the world's Covid cases, do you? You don't believe it even has 10% of the world's Covid cases, do you?" (You made one attempt to dodge them with "We can only go by the numbers published" which, of course, is a silly, childish form-over-substance idea that I highly doubt you consistently apply).

So that's pretty much the lay of the land on the "bunched panties" idea.

Allen53 wrote:

Imperial College?>>>>BWAHAHA. Corruption and Filth Inc. as your sources- what's new?

The Imperial College; Neil Ferguson for Covid-19 mortality predictions (0.5 million in UK) accepted £184 million from B. Gates.

Quick Quiz RoyBoy how much did the Gates Foundation "donate" to the Imperial college in March 2020?

We can all thank the Imperial College of Fearmongering for causing the lockdowns and subsequent destruction of the economy. We'll be paying the price on this for years to come - "why did anyone ever listen to this guy?"

More nitpick trolling, one last time:

- On all but one post I said mostly or most are third world poor countries, and the fact is that most of them are. Looks like that one reference to all in one post turned your world upside down.

- You are correct, the US is 11th worst, not 7th as incorrectly stated. It still changes nothing of substance

- Regarding the % of cases, I'm not in the habit of pulling numbers out of my ass to guess one way or another. If the official US statistics say the US has 25% of cases, it' probably not far from that. If you don't think that number is accurate (based on you gut) or relevant that's fine, you can just look at deaths/population which is a very direct measure of failure

Wrong. Fake and false.

You posted this: "The US is top 7-8 in deaths per population with all others third world mismanaged poor countries."

That bolded part is FALSE and wrong. You lead whatever argument you are making with that, and it has been shown to you at least four times now. You were flat out wrong and posted a clear falsehood, and have been deflecting, dodging and backtracking ever since.

To the contrary, you certainly ARE in the habit of pulling numbers out of your ass, as shown above.

In any case, I didn't ask you for numbers. I asked you the following regarding your DEMENTED claim that the US has 25% of the world's Covid infections: "You don't really believe the US has 25% of the world's Covid cases, do you? You don't believe it even has 10% of the world's Covid cases, do you?"

And it wouldn't be my "gut feeling" that your claim is demented, it would be anyone with basic knowledge of statistic, probabilities, data compilation, sample size, and what an exponent is. Basically, you would have to be a pedantic idiot, and/or baked out of your mind on acid, to think the US has 25% of the Covid infections in the world.

The very site we are getting numbers from reported a 12% fatality rate as of June 1, 2020 for Covid. Even today, it reports that over 4% of closed/resolved cases with Covid die. Did you really believe that 12% of people getting Covid were dying? Or that 4% do now? Or anything even close to 4% die? Of course you don't, because that wouldn't jive with whatever weird point you were making was. No one believes that or we would have a very understandable global panic that dwarfs the current situation. Reasonable and unreasonable people alike know that the 4% death rate reported on the very website where you manufactured your bogus 25% US infection total is heavily QUALIFIED by the incomplete data we have. This basic level mathematics and statistics shouldn't need to be explained to an adult with a basic education in the US.

CorrectorII wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

"None of us live forever". Isn't that what FDR said in 41-'45 and folks said after 9/11?

Yeah, I recall the strong support for the "not even 3000 people" movement

Are you equating dying in old age from a common disease from getting murdered in a terror attack? Really, you can't see a difference between the two?

Your obsession with fabricating a story of me repeating that is impressive. Here is the evidence I said MOST countries in all but that one comment you are losing your mind about. There is not ONE single other post in the thread where I said all referring the 10. You can now finally stop repeating yourself. The facts speak for themselves:

Guess what these countries have in common? (other than being mostly very poor, mismanaged third world countries)

You purposely keep avoiding the point: the US has the top 10 WORST deaths/population with a group of mostly mismanaged third world countries

Here it's qualified to this list, which is accurate:

Newsflash: Peru, Bolivia, Chile, Ecuador, and Brazil are all mismanaged third world countries.

Facts:

1. Most of the top 10 worst are mismanaged third world countries:

2. The US, world superpower had had the 11th worst response in the world, not the 7-8th

- On all but one post I said mostly or most are third world poor countries, and the fact is that most of them are. Looks like that one reference to all in one post turned your world upside down.

Fake news!!!! trump told us many months ago that there will only be 15 cases total and no deaths. No way there are more than that because trump would never lie.

Because people are ignorant.....

So no one ever really dies from the Flu? pneumonia? Or any other ailment which is exacerbated by age or other pre-existing conditions? So we shouldn't count flu deaths as caused by the flu?

Some people....

Alan

Hand of fate is on me now wrote:

Ciro wrote:

Dan Marino and Andorra have the population of a college campus.

Marino has a population of around 35,000 (roughly half the population of Miami Beach) and Andorra has a population of around 78,000. But again, the point was that if even a tiny, presumably well-run "first world" country can have such problems controlling Covid, the U.S. problems, which its huge, diverse and complicated society, are much more understandable. All you and that other guy who bailed out have said is that small countries shouldn't considered, without giving a reason other than that they are small. Makes no sense with an explanation of why that matters.

All true but they have lost 42 and 53 people to COVID-19 respectively.

Such small numbers can really distort the deaths per million for tiny US college campus sized populations.