Great response ...really shows the quality of your average right wing poster.
Great response ...really shows the quality of your average right wing poster.
What is important to understand at this grim milestone is how far the US has fallen when it comes to combating infectious diseases. The US in the mid 20th Century was a world leader in developing and deploying vaccines to treat some of the most pernicious infectious diseases. The US was behind the development of vaccines for polio and measles and stood out for public health measures that eliminated tuberculosis, small pox, cholera, typhoid and diphtheria. US life expectancy surged past many other countries around the world in the middle of the 20th century in large part to our ability to tackle difficult infectious diseases. The US became a world leader on infectious diseases. Whenever there has been an outbreak of a new infectious disease, the world looks to the CDC to come on the scene and lead the response. And beyond the CDC, the US has most of the top experts and research institutes on infectious diseases. CIDRAP, the National School of Tropical Medicine, Gates foundation, and dozens of institutes at various medical schools and universities across the US.
The United States had all the expertise, all the financial and technical resources and the federal, state and local infrastructure in place to be able to tackle the worst of the worst infectious diseases. We did well to fight back Ebola and Zika and have stopped a dozen other infectious diseases from landing in the US that no one ever heard about because the response was so effective.
The response to the coronavirus basically broke every rule in the book and was marred by lack of leadership and administrative incompetence from the very beginning. And even after initial failures were recognized, the Federal government opted for a hands off approach that allowed states to make catastrophic mistakes in reopening strategies.
Basically, the US went from being the 1992 Dream Team to being a company rec league basketball team with a bunch of fat guys in their late 40s. This was 100% due to the blatant politicization of the virus by the right in the US. Around the world, the virus in most countries was treated as a public health issue and all deference was given to the experts. By contrast, countries that acted early and followed the advice of the experts had great success. China, S. Korea, Germany, Australia, N. Zealand, Canada, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Vietnam, etc. have all kept deaths very low and have controlled outbreaks and the re-emergence of the virus. The US is just a sitting duck for another massive outbreak this fall.
I seem to recall a recent post in another discussion dismissing the risk by saying that only a couple children died from covid-19 in the USA. Few may have died but more than just a couple of youths died. Michigan is not reporting 4 deaths due to privacy rules. I wonder what other states are doing.
From the below article:
Looking at Michigan’s public data, it appears that the state hasn’t reported a single fatal coronavirus case for a resident younger than 20 years old over the first six months of the pandemic.
However, the state has had at least four individuals in the 0-19-year-old age range die with COVID-19, including two since late August, the Department of Health and Human Services confirmed to MLive this week.
Dear Experts: Please provide your predicted all-causes mortality number for 2020. Be sure to adjust for the first 5 weeks of the year. The first official U.S. COVID-19 death was on February 6 in Santa Clara County, CA
I am standing outside the local bar waiting for it to open.
In 2018, a total of 2,839,205 resident deaths were registered in the United States
In 2017, a total of 2,813,503 resident deaths were registered in the United States
In 2016, a total of 2,744,248 resident deaths were registered in the United States
In 2015, a total of 2,712,630 resident deaths were registered in the United States
In 2014, a total of 2,626,418 resident deaths were registered in the United States
In 2013, a total of 2,596,993 resident deaths were registered in the United States
DanM wrote:
Dear Experts: Please provide your predicted all-causes mortality number for 2020. Be sure to adjust for the first 5 weeks of the year. The first official U.S. COVID-19 death was on February 6 in Santa Clara County, CA
I am standing outside the local bar waiting for it to open.
In 2018, a total of 2,839,205 resident deaths were registered in the United States
In 2017, a total of 2,813,503 resident deaths were registered in the United States
In 2016, a total of 2,744,248 resident deaths were registered in the United States
In 2015, a total of 2,712,630 resident deaths were registered in the United States
In 2014, a total of 2,626,418 resident deaths were registered in the United States
In 2013, a total of 2,596,993 resident deaths were registered in the United States
That's a good post.
Did you see my comment upstream. That will give everyone a good chance to guess how many beans are in the jar.
Let's not forget to adjust for population.
I would also recommend doing 3-5 year averages to get better context.
old news wrote:
Meanwhile about 3,000,000 people Die in the us each year. Here’s a news flash, people die. You too will die. You can die at any age from many different causes. But, also a news flash. It’s not about how you die, it’s about how you live.
Meanwhile, only 4 people died in the Benghazi incident in a terrorist nation in 2012 and there were 1400 inquiries into the event.
People die. Why was that such a big deal?
Precious Roy wrote:
joedirt wrote:
The cure is worse than the disease:
https://coloradosun.com/2020/08/17/denver-coronavirus-deaths-heart-attack/According to analysis from the imperial college of London 2/3 of people with comorbidities would have succumbed to COVID within one year regardless of COVID.
Calling bullsh#t. The Imperial College of London....
Anyone with half a brain would stop reading right there and get a paper towel to wipe up the coffee they just spewed.
Anyone who cites the (always wrong) hysterical Imperial College is obviously a controlled Big Pharma stooge. You waiting on those Moderna returns Roy? Maybe a few coins in the AstraZeneca profile there Mr. Specious?
Imperial College?>>>>BWAHAHA. Corruption and Filth Inc. as your sources- what's new?
The Imperial College; Neil Ferguson for Covid-19 mortality predictions (0.5 million in UK) accepted £184 million from B. Gates.
Quick Quiz RoyBoy how much did the Gates Foundation "donate" to the Imperial college in March 2020?
Still upset over your wasted vote on Hillary, eh?
Whine much?
Trump could have done everything perfect, you'd still cry...which makes me laugh:):):)
L L wrote:
old news wrote:
Meanwhile about 3,000,000 people Die in the us each year. Here’s a news flash, people die. You too will die. You can die at any age from many different causes. But, also a news flash. It’s not about how you die, it’s about how you live.
Meanwhile, only 4 people died in the Benghazi incident in a terrorist nation in 2012 and there were 1400 inquiries into the event.
People die. Why was that such a big deal?
You're mental to make such an apples to dirt comparison. This post by you clearly shows your bias. Give up, you've lost it already.
L L wrote:
old news wrote:
Meanwhile about 3,000,000 people Die in the us each year. Here’s a news flash, people die. You too will die. You can die at any age from many different causes. But, also a news flash. It’s not about how you die, it’s about how you live.
Meanwhile, only 4 people died in the Benghazi incident in a terrorist nation in 2012 and there were 1400 inquiries into the event.
People die. Why was that such a big deal?
p.s. If Trump were in charge during the Leftish lying screw up in Benghazi, you wouldn't be asking "Why was that such a big deal?" I thought flagpole was the most biased liberal on this site, but you've clearly taken the crown old man.
LOLOL@armstronglivs wrote:
Still upset over your wasted vote on Hillary, eh?
Whine much?
Trump could have done everything perfect, you'd still cry...which makes me laugh:):):)
Keep Hillary out of this, the poor woman has suffered enough since Trump put her behind bars.
https://images.app.goo.gl/crLGbf1iHwXY92AJ8Marino has a population of around 35,000 (roughly half the population of Miami Beach) and Andorra has a population of around 78,000. But again, the point was that if even a tiny, presumably well-run "first world" country can have such problems controlling Covid, the U.S. problems, which its huge, diverse and complicated society, are much more understandable. All you and that other guy who bailed out have said is that small countries shouldn't considered, without giving a reason other than that they are small. Makes no sense with an explanation of why that matters.
LOLOL@armstronglivs wrote:
You're mental to make such an apples to dirt comparison.
How can one set of lives be a bad comparison to another set of lives?
I thought all lives matter?
L L wrote:
LOLOL@armstronglivs wrote:
You're mental to make such an apples to dirt comparison.
How can one set of lives be a bad comparison to another set of lives?
I thought all lives matter?
The quote above isn't mine but someone who lacks the ability to find an original username.
LOLOL@armstronglivs wrote:
Trump could have done everything perfect
Well, at least you're starting to admit that hes been a major screw up. That's a start.
Hand of fate is on me now wrote:
Ciro wrote:
Dan Marino and Andorra have the population of a college campus.
Marino has a population of around 35,000 (roughly half the population of Miami Beach) and Andorra has a population of around 78,000. But again, the point was that if even a tiny, presumably well-run "first world" country can have such problems controlling Covid, the U.S. problems, which its huge, diverse and complicated society, are much more understandable. All you and that other guy who bailed out have said is that small countries shouldn't considered, without giving a reason other than that they are small. Makes no sense with an explanation of why that matters.
You purposely keep avoiding the point: the US has the top 10 WORST deaths/population with a group of mostly mismanaged third world countries
Let me pout it in perspective for you: Taiwan has hundreds of thousands of people from China flying in and out, it's right next to China, had no early warning (US had 2 months) and had 7 COVID deaths with a population of 23Million
0.06% of 350 million
You are wrong. The reply you quoted was to another poster and about another point he/she made. I responded to your statement (which you've slightly rephrased) about US being in top 7,8,9,10,11 or whatever, further above. You are misleading at best, and wrong at worst. So you are doubly wrong here: (1) that I'm avoiding the point (I did not - see above) and (2) about US ranking and with whom it shares the ranking.
It's not easy to do what you just did. It's like an unassisted double play of wrong.
Furthermore, the Taiwan reference is new. It is also extraneous information - it does nothing to support your original point which was, in different formulations, that the US was alone amongst Peru, Bolivia, Chile, Ecuador, Spain, and Brazil (which you inaccurately said were all "very poor, mismanaged third world countries"). That was wrong/erroneous (or at best misleading), as clearly shown above. If you had started with your point on Taiwan, it would be a different discussion. But you did not. So you are deflecting/dodging/moving-goalposts in the very post where you accused me of missing the point - that is called hypocrisy (and a few other things).
Also, you STILL have not answered questions about your statement: "Heck of a job for the US with 25% of cases, but 4% of the world population" I have asked twice now for elaboration from you on this point. You don't really believe the US has 25% of the world's Covid cases, do you? You don't believe it even has 10% of the world's Covid cases, do you?
Hand of fate is on me now wrote:
CorrectorII wrote:
Let me put it in perspective for you: Taiwan has hundreds of thousands of people from China flying in and out, it's right next to China, had no early warning (US had 2 months) and had 7 COVID deaths with a population of 23Million
You are wrong. The reply you quoted was to another poster and about another point he/she made. I responded to your statement (which you've slightly rephrased) about US being in top 7,8,9,10,11 or whatever, further above. You are misleading at best, and wrong at worst. So you are doubly wrong here: (1) that I'm avoiding the point (I did not - see above) and (2) about US ranking and with whom it shares the ranking.
It's not easy to do what you just did. It's like an unassisted double play of wrong.
I read your post, you were musing about how if tiny country that's presumably easier to run is doing bad then that somehow relates to how hard it's for a big country to to well. That's complete nonsense, just from a logical argument, and purposely changing the topic at worst from the fact that:
The US has the top 11 worst number of deaths/population among a list of mostly mismanaged third world countries.