Most universities cost over $10,000 per year per STUDENT!!! Where has all that money been going????
Use your favorite university. Tuition times number of students.
Most universities cost over $10,000 per year per STUDENT!!! Where has all that money been going????
Use your favorite university. Tuition times number of students.
The boring but true answer is "it depends". Whichever university you choose, you need to consider return on investment (ROI). There's an organization that examines this exact question. Most of the worst ROI schools are historically black colleges.
If you go to a state school with good reputation and academics and major in science or engineering then it is absolutely worth it in the long run. If you go to a expensive or lower tier school and major in a liberal art then yes it is a waste of money. Your question is similar to asking if buying stocks is a waste of time and a scam. Not all companies or schools are created equal.
If you see the people these universities produce, you would say yes.
Just a bunch of drunken kids.
And here is the proof:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/11/us/miami-university-student-party-covid-trnd/index.html
The Fleecing of America wrote:
Most universities cost over $10,000 per year per STUDENT!!! Where has all that money been going????
Use your favorite university. Tuition times number of students.
College used to be a great deal and only about 20% of people went so a degree was not mandatory for careers that did not really need it. Then the government decided it was a good idea to get in the loan business and create non-dischargable, non-secured loans that would never exist on the free market. Suddenly college costs went up 4 or 5 times and you get 3 times as many kids going to school, many getting degrees that in no way add to their earning power. If you get a STEM degree at a reasonably priced school or go to a Stanford level school that pays your costs if your family is not well off, great deal. If you get a communications degree with $150K of debt and have 4 years of parties, not really a great investment.
The Fleecing of America wrote:
IS COLLEGE THE ULTIMATE SCAM IN THE US??????
Well, with six (count 'em, 6!) question marks and all caps it certainly must be!
SD Dude Bro wrote:
If you go to a state school with good reputation and academics and major in science or engineering then it is absolutely worth it in the long run. If you go to a expensive or lower tier school and major in a liberal art then yes it is a waste of money. Your question is similar to asking if buying stocks is a waste of time and a scam. Not all companies or schools are created equal.
I was about to say that, when it comes to scams, college is right up there. But this is a much better answer.
If everyone took course work that was guaranteed to land them jobs, then college tuition would go through the roof. So we need to provide seemingly impractical courses to keep the herd busy learning 'anything', writing papers and reciting speeches, collaborating in small work groups, showing up and getting stuff done on time. When they get out, they can then get a field position or a cubical world job and maneuver into a more responsible position. They have to have that stupid degree in order to begin to qualify. The clerks in personnel will just trash their application if they haven't proven that they can reliably and effectively communicate and work well with others. That's what a college degree does for you. Don't under-value the program just because it's some 'busy work' thing. What really counts is your proven workworld skill set, regardless of the subject matter that is studied.
Retired college profs live like KINGS.
That's all going away starting. . . now.
I paid way too much money per year to go to a top engineering school. There were some good teachers, but most of the time I found text books more useful to than going to lectures. And often when I searched the internet, I came across MIT Open Courseware lectures, which essentially mirrored our curriculum and apparently the curriculum of basically any other engineering schools (according to friends) — the sh!t is the same. When I stopped attending classes (other than to take exams) for most of Junior and Senior year and got straight A's, it became pretty obvious that I was just paying for an expensive piece of paper.
People will argue that the college experience is worth it — but, is it really? Putting yourself in debt to pay for knowledge that is already freely available on the internet? Really? There should be a better way to prove your erudition than to go to college.
You aren’t paying for the education, you are paying for the social signaling.
Sure, but I'd rather learn the social signaling in another less expensive way.
Taxes are a bigger scam because for what we pay in taxes, the government should be able to provide free college. The government wastes so much money.
Generally around 50% of every dollar you earn goes to the government if you consider federal income taxes, payroll tax, state income tax, municipality tax, sales tax, tolls, property tax, car tax, tolls/fees, and more. And if you are really successful, the government takes even more from you when you die with an estate tax. There is an inheritance tax, too.
And what do you get for the taxes you pay? Essentially nothing. No free college. No free healthcare. No free housing. No universal basic income. You get government corruption, waste, and never-ending foreign wars that cost trillions.
fact checker 642572498 wrote:
Taxes are a bigger scam because for what we pay in taxes, the government should be able to provide free college. The government wastes so much money.
Generally around 50% of every dollar you earn goes to the government if you consider federal income taxes, payroll tax, state income tax, municipality tax, sales tax, tolls, property tax, car tax, tolls/fees, and more. And if you are really successful, the government takes even more from you when you die with an estate tax. There is an inheritance tax, too.
And what do you get for the taxes you pay? Essentially nothing. No free college. No free healthcare. No free housing. No universal basic income. You get government corruption, waste, and never-ending foreign wars that cost trillions.
Maybe it's just US. People in many countries get free college, healthcare and their governments dont waste their money on foreign ears.
Coach, do you really think the education is "free" in those countries?
Satan loves colleges. It's a perfect place for him to infect and warp the minds and drive God out of the lives of America's youth.
College is nothing but a mind-controlled establishment to brainwash kids toward the Leftist ideology! ?
The scam isn't so much ripping off the students but ripping off the public. The corporate and professional world has hijacked the higher education system and turned it into job training, much of it taxpayer subsidized, either directly or through loan guarantees.
Take away just the loan guarantees and everything changes overnight. Gone will be the waste, the joke departments founded on BS, the inflated price.
Let's tell it like it is wrote:
College is nothing but a mind-controlled establishment to brainwash kids toward the Leftist ideology! ?
Just curious - have you been to college? Having attended and worked at several that has very much not been my experience...but of course I accept that my experience, and the experience of the college grads I know, is informal anecdotal evidence, even though the sample size is pretty high and would probably be statistically significant if I properly collected and measured the data. So what are you basing this claim on?
I also wonder - are colleges all around the world secretly colluding to advance Leftist propaganda? If so, how do they manage the world's largest and most intricate conspiracy without blowing their cover? Maybe if they're smart enough to do that, we could learn a thing or two from them after all? And why Leftist propaganda, when more Right-wing policies, values and political systems would enable these nefarious elites to advance their material interests much more effectively? Or maybe their interests aren't material? I dunno, just thinking "out loud."
Yes, I did go college and played football as a walk on back in the late 70s/early 80s. Things were a lot different back then with more balance between liberal & conservative professors, administrators, counselors, etc. I have a 20 yr son who's a student-athlete at a local state university. I get all the stories from him - a lot of liberal agendas being pushed!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonexaminer.com/red-alert-politics/liberalism-is-rampant-on-campus-and-ruining-academia%3f_amp=truehttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.laurinburgexchange.com/opinion/31765/professors-are-brainwashing-students/ampDes Linden: "The entire sport" has changed since she first started running Boston.
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