What's the actual evidence of racism in Floyd or Blake shootings?

There was a police shooting in Denver last night. The victim was white, so no riots.

comedyre1i3f wrote:

There was a police shooting in Denver last night. The victim was white, so no riots.

Where are the blaring headlines on every website? The trending hashtags? The widespread moral outrage?

Bad Wigins wrote:

Brad Higgins wrote:

2,600 - you understand nothing.

Good comeback. George OD'd and you don't give a rip. What a hero. Comedian too?

The only thing that could have prevented it was if the cops were trained to recognize opioid OD's and administer Narcan. Even then, no way every OD can be saved. That's just the facts but naturally you'll spout more ignorance to try to dispel them.

Did I say George Floyd was a hero of mine? No, so stop with your weak straw man “argument”. It reflects poorly on you.

Meanwhile, your boy Derek Chauvin is still behind bars and that chaps your a$$ ???

comedyre1i3f wrote:

There was a police shooting in Denver last night. The victim was white, so no riots.

If the protests are against systemic racism how is the shooting of a white person related to that cause? Oh, right - it proves there isn't systemic racism, because the police aren't prejudiced about who they choose to shoot. Anyone will do.

If the protests are against systemic racism how is the shooting of a white person related to that cause? Oh, right - it proves there isn't systemic racism, because the police aren't prejudiced about who they choose to shoot. Anyone will do.

So he was "reaching for his waistband?" Wow, funny how that ALWAYS seems to happen, why aren't these cops trained to shoot him in the legs if they have to, or better yet, why wasn't a social worker called to deescalate? Probably because we all know cops don't care about white bodies, they aren't even seen as human, ACAB FOREVER

Here's a better way to word the question:

Is there any evidence at all that these are racially motivated incidents?

I'm not saying there is or isn't. Just asking if there any proof...or anything close to proof.

PTF wrote:

Here's a better way to word the question:

Is there any evidence at all that these are racially motivated incidents?

I'm not saying there is or isn't. Just asking if there any proof...or anything close to proof.

Far more white folks are killed by police, so yes, race is obviously a contributing factor.

party like its 1859 wrote:

PTF wrote:

Here's a better way to word the question:

Is there any evidence at all that these are racially motivated incidents?

I'm not saying there is or isn't. Just asking if there any proof...or anything close to proof.

Far more white folks are killed by police, so yes, race is obviously a contributing factor.

Huh? Not following your logic.

Brad Higgins wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

Good comeback. George OD'd and you don't give a rip. What a hero. Comedian too?

The only thing that could have prevented it was if the cops were trained to recognize opioid OD's and administer Narcan. Even then, no way every OD can be saved. That's just the facts but naturally you'll spout more ignorance to try to dispel them.

Did I say George Floyd was a hero of mine? No, so stop with your weak straw man “argument”. It reflects poorly on you.

What I said was YOU are no hero, jackwad.

You also haven't got the sense to understand playing the comedian undermines everything else you say. How does funny fit into self-righteous?

George died of an OD, as I said the first time, and that's that. Go ahead, try to argue some more, you will lose.

If you assume systematic racism because of disproportionate numbers of black deaths by cop do you also assume systematic racism due to disproportionate white cop shootings by black people? If your argument is " assumed" then it must go both ways which leads to the conclusion that black criminals are systemically racist towards white police officers? Would it be ok to start a " white cops matter" group? Maybe they could burn down a few NFL / NBA players houses to start.

Post support.

G. Floyd murdered himself via drug overdose and all if us (except for the cop who had to subdue him) are all better off for it.

Thanks, George.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Brad Higgins wrote:

Did I say George Floyd was a hero of mine? No, so stop with your weak straw man “argument”. It reflects poorly on you.

What I said was YOU are no hero, jackwad.

You also haven't got the sense to understand playing the comedian undermines everything else you say. How does funny fit into self-righteous?

George died of an OD, as I said the first time, and that's that. Go ahead, try to argue some more, you will lose.

He didn't. That is why the police are being tried for homicide.

bangdingow wrote:

G. Floyd murdered himself via drug overdose and all if us (except for the cop who had to subdue him) are all better off for it.

Thanks, George.

There was no drug overdose. Alt right white supremacist lies. But thanks for proving the existence of systemic racism.

PTF wrote:

Here's a better way to word the question:

Is there any evidence at all that these are racially motivated incidents?

I'm not saying there is or isn't. Just asking if there any proof...or anything close to proof.

Systemic racism doesn't require than an act be racially motivated or that the person is a racist. It is about treating people differently - and in a way that is unfair, demeaning or reflects a prejudice about that person - because of their race. It is typically unconscious. The person doing it is unaware of their prejudices. That could be Derek Chauvin. It is often seen as simply "normal behaviour" - like police picking on or acting in a disproportionate way against blacks and ethnic minorities - which the figures suggest they do. The structure of the institution is thereby racist even if the individuals within it aren't.

In answer to your question, the actions of the police officers that resulted in George Floyd's death can be seen to have been greatly disproportionate to whatever risk he posed and thereby a reflection of the kind of unconscious prejudice I describe above. It showed a black life is of little importance - against a fake 20 dollar bill. That it has long been part of American history and culture is why there are now widespread public protests.

So, would you say that the disperportionate amount of white cops being murdered by black criminals vs. white criminals is a clear example of systemic racism in black culture. Do black criminals have internal biases against white cops?

WCM wrote:

So, would you say that the disperportionate amount of white cops being murdered by black criminals vs. white criminals is a clear example of systemic racism in black culture. Do black criminals have internal biases against white cops?

"More white offenders than black offenders killed police between 1980 and 2013. Police officers were killed in ambush attacks by just as many black offenders as white offenders in the past three decades. There are no simple conclusions or trends that can be gleaned from the database alone, but it provides context that based on the raw numbers, officers are no more likely to be killed by black offenders than white offenders."