What's the actual evidence of racism in Floyd or Blake shootings?

CircusClowns wrote:

HLq wrote:

I am as against society emotionally and irrationally overreacting to racism based on sensationalist media coverage as I am against society emotionally and irrationally overreacting to terrorism based on sensationalist media coverage.

How does one emotionally or irrationally overreact the terrorism? I'm all for debate, but quite frankly this is most bizarre take I've seen on this forum.......and that's saying a lot.

I already answered your question in the next paragraph if you had bothered to keep reading. Your name suits you well. Are actually suggesting that there is no possible way to overreact to terrorism? That is the truly bizarre take. Want to make a bet on whose take most people would find more bizarre?

HLq wrote:

Ciro wrote:

Your second paragraph completely undermines your first paragraph. Strong work.

Wrong. Your reading comprehension needs work.

Brad: When people say X, they actually mean Y

Me: If people mean Y when they say X, then they should just say Y instead and shouldn't be surprised if people believe they actually mean X.

Me: Also, I can't assume that Brad speaks for everyone, so there's no way for me to know if he is actually correct when says people who say X actually mean Y. I would need more people who say X to come out and say they actually mean Y.

My statements are not in any way contradictory.

Lovely story about x and y, but you tied yourself in knots. Not your finest moment. Take a break and stop digging bro.

If in response to 9/11, the US had carpet nuked the entire Arab world, would you not call that an overreaction?

Brad Higgins wrote:

HLq wrote:

Wrong. Your reading comprehension needs work.

Brad: When people say X, they actually mean Y

Me: If people mean Y when they say X, then they should just say Y instead and shouldn't be surprised if people believe they actually mean X.

Me: Also, I can't assume that Brad speaks for everyone, so there's no way for me to know if he is actually correct when says people who say X actually mean Y. I would need more people who say X to come out and say they actually mean Y.

My statements are not in any way contradictory.

Lovely story about x and y, but you tied yourself in knots. Not your finest moment. Take a break and stop digging bro.

You have nothing but baseless assertions. You give no specific arguments or reasons. You have nothing but playground taunting. I'll accept your admission of defeat.

HLq wrote:

If in response to 9/11, the US had carpet nuked the entire Arab world, would you not call that an overreaction?

The cool stories just keep coming. Mind if I steal it?

You are confused and wrong. I quoted directly from a motion filed by Chauvin in the case. Attached to the motion is the file from MP 2019-127538, which is a criminal case number from Minnesota involving George Floyd. In that case are police reports detailing that Floyd ingested illegal narcotics he was selling before he was arrested. They also report his statements to medical professionals.

The evidence in the police file is being offered to show that Floyd has, in the past, ingested lethal quantities of illegal drugs to avoid arrest and/or avoid charges, and the lethal level of fentanyl in his body on the day he died was likely ingested for the same reasons - behavior consistent with previous behavior. If any of this is unclear to you, I can explain further.

Under your goofball theory ("If it hasn't been reported anywhere it hasn't been presented by anyone in the case as fact. It remains your concoction.") everything reported on the case so far is someone's "concoction." Which would be inconsistent with other things about Floyd I've seen you hold out as fact, even in this every thread.

TheCorrector wrote:

https://www.theroot.com/a-judge-asked-harvard-to-find-out-why-so-many-black-peo-1845017462

Wouldn't have anything anything to do with this, would it?

TheCorrector wrote:

https://www.theroot.com/a-judge-asked-harvard-to-find-out-why-so-many-black-peo-1845017462

Was this in response to something I posted, or did you just feel like posting it and hit reply to the last post?

I didn't read the whole thing (yet), but it looks like the only reasonable conclusion is that we need to charge and incarcerate more white people, and for longer periods of time, to end the systemic racism against blacks.

Corphlough wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Further, if there was "zero evidence of asphyxiation" Chauvin and the other officers would not be facing homicide charges.

That isn't exactly correct. If you actually had ever been in the US, or understood the legal system at all, you'd know why.

But you can't provide "the reason why". A homicide by definition is an unlawful killing. So why are they charged with that?

TheCorrector wrote:

https://www.theroot.com/a-judge-asked-harvard-to-find-out-why-so-many-black-peo-1845017462

Read the actual report, not this "world-renowned wypipologist's" interpretation of it.

All data analyzed in the report is post-arrest. So the study ignores the Occam's Razor explanation for why more black people are in prison than white people, which is that they commit more crimes:

"Our data do not allow us to determine conclusively the extent to which aggregate

differences in initial type and charge severity across racial groups reflect police and

prosecutor discretion versus differences in criminal conduct."

Right there, you all the evidence you need that this is a SJW study that isn't seeking real truth.

antifas wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Statistically, they are dead. The statistics also show that black Americans are 2-3 times more likely to be victims of police violence than whites.

Thousands of black American are protesting against police brutality because they say many of them have had bad experiences with the police.

Solely because they are black. Has nothing to do with crime statistics and the way many of them have been failed by their families and the democratic party? By the way, my black friends don't like nor care for white elitists liberals to speak for them. Try really listening to them.

They prefer "white elitist" conservatives like you to speak for them? You are happy to do so.

There are also thousands of blacks protesting on the streets as well as talking in the media. But I guess they aren't your "black friends", so you dont have to follow your own advice and listen to them.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Corphlough wrote:

That isn't exactly correct. If you actually had ever been in the US, or understood the legal system at all, you'd know why.

But you can't provide "the reason why". A homicide by definition is an unlawful killing. So why are they charged with that?

"It hasn't been presented by anyone in the case as fact. It remains your concoction."

HLq wrote:

Ciro wrote:

Your second paragraph completely undermines your first paragraph. Strong work.

Wrong. Your reading comprehension needs work.

Brad: When people say X, they actually mean Y

Me: If people mean Y when they say X, then they should just say Y instead and shouldn't be surprised if people believe they actually mean X.

Me: Also, I can't assume that Brad speaks for everyone, so there's no way for me to know if he is actually correct when says people who say X actually mean Y. I would need more people who say X to come out and say they actually mean Y.

My statements are not in any way contradictory.

But they are meaningless.

Corphlough wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

But you can't provide "the reason why". A homicide by definition is an unlawful killing. So why are they charged with that?

"It hasn't been presented by anyone in the case as fact. It remains your concoction."

So you can't answer the question.

Prosecutors don't proffer charges without evidence in support - a motion to dismiss would have seen the charges thrown out by a court if it were otherwise.

The homicide charges are the result of an investigation that has adduced sufficient evidence to present a case against the accused. There is therefore a prima facie case they killed Floyd. I realise it is hard for Klan sympathisers to accept that.

Corphlough wrote:

TheCorrector wrote:

https://www.theroot.com/a-judge-asked-harvard-to-find-out-why-so-many-black-peo-1845017462

Was this in response to something I posted, or did you just feel like posting it and hit reply to the last post?

I didn't read the whole thing (yet), but it looks like the only reasonable conclusion is that we need to charge and incarcerate more white people, and for longer periods of time, to end the systemic racism against blacks.

The message was a response to the OP. He can not imagine how whites and blacks receive different treatment. Your “conclusion” shows were you are coming from, but I have no interest in participating in that discussion

Where is it? wrote:

TheCorrector wrote:

https://www.theroot.com/a-judge-asked-harvard-to-find-out-why-so-many-black-peo-1845017462

Read the actual report, not this "world-renowned wypipologist's" interpretation of it.

All data analyzed in the report is post-arrest. So the study ignores the Occam's Razor explanation for why more black people are in prison than white people, which is that they commit more crimes:

"Our data do not allow us to determine conclusively the extent to which aggregate

differences in initial type and charge severity across racial groups reflect police and

prosecutor discretion versus differences in criminal conduct."

Right there, you all the evidence you need that this is a SJW study that isn't seeking real truth.

Whereas your alt right interpretation is "the real truth". Black people get picked on by the police because they are criminals. Occams Razor can also suggest that more black people are in prison because they are who the police and the justice system focus on. Systemic racism.

The two autopsies have both ruled out drugs as cause of death. Whether he was dealing in drugs or not, he was killed by Chauvin with the compliance of the other police officers. They are standing trial for that. But clearly it didn't bother you to see video of a man helpless on the ground, pleading for his life till it was taken from him. You are just another apologist here for police brutality.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Where is it? wrote:

Read the actual report, not this "world-renowned wypipologist's" interpretation of it.

All data analyzed in the report is post-arrest. So the study ignores the Occam's Razor explanation for why more black people are in prison than white people, which is that they commit more crimes:

"Our data do not allow us to determine conclusively the extent to which aggregate

differences in initial type and charge severity across racial groups reflect police and

prosecutor discretion versus differences in criminal conduct."

Right there, you all the evidence you need that this is a SJW study that isn't seeking real truth.

Whereas your alt right interpretation is "the real truth". Black people get picked on by the police because they are criminals. Occams Razor can also suggest that more black people are in prison because they are who the police and the justice system focus on. Systemic racism.

Again, back to reality:

Fifty-four people shot and thirteen killed in a single weekend. Are you saying the police should start ignoring these shootings?