(Road Racing) and Time Trialing and Training Thread - Week Ending 9/13/20

Victor Nightingale wrote:

The Stone Cutter wrote:

Since we have already demonstrated that the toughness of one’s wife is inversely related to the male runner’s mileage, what Victor/GT is really showing is that his wife definitely works REALLY hard...

I see why you had to change your name from NumbersGuy...trying to develop trends from two data points is shaky at best.

But my wife is great!

(Especially since a couple people here have met her...need to...tread carefully)

Man, rough week here. I congratulate JB on #3 and he takes a dig at me.

I throw Mrs. Nightingale a compliment (sure it was at your expense, but hey, she deserved the compliment) and I get another dig.

It’s all good. I also know why you switched your name from GT. You are certainly no longer the fast sports car you used to be...

Geez. Every fatA$$ jogging 15 mpw wants to talk smack. Where is smoove to make this complete.

runrincerepeat wrote:

Geez. Every fatA$$ jogging 15 mpw wants to talk smack. Where is smoove to make this complete.

Smoove is always a welcome addition. Don’t forget the MIA giraffe. Greatest of all wannabe smack talkers. I was gonna poke holes in his dig at me a few weeks ago, but I figured his doctor had poked enough holes in him already...

The Stone Cutter wrote:

runrincerepeat wrote:

Geez. Every fatA$$ jogging 15 mpw wants to talk smack. Where is smoove to make this complete.

Smoove is always a welcome addition. Don’t forget the MIA giraffe. Greatest of all wannabe smack talkers. I was gonna poke holes in his dig at me a few weeks ago, but I figured his doctor had poked enough holes in him already...

Scoreboard.

angryjohnny wrote:

The Stone Cutter wrote:

Smoove is always a welcome addition. Don’t forget the MIA giraffe. Greatest of all wannabe smack talkers. I was gonna poke holes in his dig at me a few weeks ago, but I figured his doctor had poked enough holes in him already...

Scoreboard.

You mean this scoreboard?...

I think RRR’s got us all pegged right now...15 mpw fata$$ joggers...

Dammmm Friday night has gotten LIT ..

And y’all all could afford a little resistance training. Don’t wanna be an ineffectual p****y like most distance runners.

The Stone Cutter wrote:

angryjohnny wrote:

Scoreboard.

https://imgur.com/gallery/eZe98fQ

You mean this scoreboard?...

I think RRR’s got us all pegged right now...15 mpw fata$$ joggers...

Nah bruh. This one.

The COVID 20. Suck it.

runrincerepeat wrote:

Dammmm Friday night has gotten LIT ..

And y’all all could afford a little resistance training. Don’t wanna be an ineffectual p****y like most distance runners.

Resistance training? Try running with a spare tire around your waist.

BHViking wrote:To Allen's point about getting shamed on the 50+ board for his unique brand of training: wth?

BHV, just to be clear, there's a great group of highly accomplished men and women on the 50+ thread (former Olympic Trials athletes, world-ranked age-groupers), all helpful and supportive. I was new to the thread, listing my crazy 2-runs-per-week marathon training. Yes, in the context of a "long run" discussion, a couple of the guys snickered at my approach.

But more importantly, the 50+ group encouraged and inspired me to return to "more serious" training. After that 3:25 marathon, I wrote up a 9-day cycle with VO2max and Lactate Threshold workouts, a medium-long run and a long run in each cycle, 45-55 mpw. That led to some injury down-time, but also a 3:07 marathon -- age-graded at "2:35" vs the actual 2:40 I ran as a youth. So, sort of a lifetime PR.

angryjohnny wrote:

The Stone Cutter wrote:

https://imgur.com/gallery/eZe98fQ

You mean this scoreboard?...

I think RRR’s got us all pegged right now...15 mpw fata$$ joggers...

Nah bruh. This one.

https://imgur.com/gallery/MbPq5Cw

The COVID 20. Suck it.

This pic was taken August 6th, at the peak of my taco eating and beer drinking. Bear in mind, I’m 5’11” to your 6’6”. But yeah...those are some ugly scoreboards either way...

Good luck today, OR! Enjoy the thrill of racing again...

Get it OR! Look forward to the race report. I have run my week as OutsideWorm with every run a flyer progressing down to a pace that will likely get me injured if I keep it up. I don’t know how you do this $hit!

I broke in a pair of Endorphin Pros today. It’s a great shoe. I think I may be a bigger fan of the endorphin line than what Nike has to offer. Bold statement I know but I really like these shoes.

Geez boys. Look at that strong table muscle flex...

Good luck OR. Make it hurt! Gun and Run

highhoppingworm wrote:

Get it OR! Look forward to the race report. I have run my week as OutsideWorm with every run a flyer progressing down to a pace that will likely get me injured if I keep it up. I don’t know how you do this $hit!

I broke in a pair of Endorphin Pros today. It’s a great shoe. I think I may be a bigger fan of the endorphin line than what Nike has to offer. Bold statement I know but I really like these shoes.

I think it was Malmo on these boards that said that you could do his definition of a "tempo run" ~4 times per week. The examples he provided were all done by feel but typically in the range of his marathon pace or slightly slower, with the emphasis being that it's done totally on feel and shouldn't feel forced.

With OR, he runs fast every day, but he's rarely sub-MP (which I'd guess is 6:10-6:20 for him) for more than 1-1.5mi, which sets him up well to keep coming back daily and putting in great work. For you, based on your PRs, you could probably roll down to 5:40-5:50 for a mile or two daily and get the same effect.

Interesting take re: the Endorphin Pro. I'm hearing that more and more from folks trying them. While the Vaporfly seems to work "better," it occasionally doesn't work at all for some people (feels clunky/doesn't jive well with their form). I have yet to hear the same thing about the Endorphin Pro, it seems to work for everyone!

I need to try a pair. Better price point be good as a tempo shoe or long road workouts. The nexties sure make iT easy on my old man legs (esp at 18x weight).

Also interested in the new adidas super shoe. Same 200$ price point.

The Stone Cutter wrote:This pic was taken August 6th, at the peak of my taco eating and beer drinking. Bear in mind, I’m 5’11” ...

Stone, wow, that's incredible. At 5'11" also, I peaked at 191, and it was ugly. Got back down to 180-182 pretty quickly, but stuck there for months (normal "street weight" is 170, marathon weight under 160). What's your racing weight? Hope you're faring better than I. Tough to lose weight at 15mpw, ha!

OR -- Anxious for your race report. The weather here was perfect this morning - sunny, very light breeze, temp in the 40s. Hope it was as nice in Virginia.

Allen - Thanks for the laugh. It was actually stepping on the scale that prompted me to get back out there. I was visiting my sister that night and was curious when I saw the scale in her bathroom, and obviously it wasn’t the result I wanted to see. I have since purchased a scale for accountability.

Despite RRR’s sarcastic claim, I’m already back to the 30+ mpw range this week and will continue to build. Currently I am about 187 lbs. Typical racing weight for me is 165-170 lbs, so obviously I have a ways to go. A pandemic + (virtual) Halloween + Thanksgiving + Holidays won’t make it any easier to lose the weight, but even if I can get back to 17X something, I should be in a better spot.

Like some others on the thread, I’ll get more serious when an actual race shows up on my calendar again. And it obviously helps to have a fit training partner kick me out of bed each morning to get out there with her, haha. The problem right now is that we are probably equally fit. ?

Before I say anything about my horrible day, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone for the kind words and encouragement. You guys and gals are great.

So...yeah it was hilly, especially in the second mile, yeah the grass was wet, and yeah there were plenty of turns, but I ran like garbage. Very surprised, after pouncing on that run earlier in the week, finishing 5:42, and then 5:36 for the final .25 with NO problem.

To be honest, I figured sub-18 today—easily—no matter the surface...and maybe even get close to a PR. Yes, get close to a PR. What a rude awakening I had. Did not even win the master’s. Was fifth overall, and a 48-year-old took the master’s. I ran 18:33 for fifth and he ran 18:16 and cleaned my clock for fourth place.

So, after a paved start, we hit the grass at about the .75 mark. Then about 1.5 or so on the grass and in the woods and then about .75 or so to finish back on the pavement. Ran my weirdest splits ever...5:36, 6:28, 5:48. That 5:36 first mile actually felt fine. Had NO idea whatsoever that I had slowed to 6:28 back on the trails in the second mile. Was shocked to see that split come up. Thought my watch was busted.

I work to hard and to have this type of crummy performance is very disappointing. Makes me wonder if it is all worth it. Cannot fathom how I ran 18:06 in 98% humidity about a month ago and then come nowhere near cracking 18 today in 47 degrees. Puzzling. Aggravating. Sorry for the rant, but races like today’s make me not want to race anymore.

Thanks for listening, my friends.

outsiderunner wrote:

So...yeah it was hilly, especially in the second mile, yeah the grass was wet, and yeah there were plenty of turns, but I ran like garbage.

... after a paved start, we hit the grass at about the .75 mark. Then about 1.5 or so on the grass and in the woods and then about .75 or so to finish back on the pavement. Ran my weirdest splits ever...5:36, 6:28, 5:48.

OR -- THAT is an XC course. Road shoes on wet grass?! Hills, trail in the woods? That 6:28 ain't so bad. It's great that you got out there this morning., and scored a top-5 finish. Onward to YOUR specialty - the marathon, man!