Think thread was hard to read. A lot of jealous people about, just because you can't do it dosnt mean people who can are cheaters, more than likely just train a hell of a lot harder than you!!
Here's a decent article that sums up my dad's life really.
https://www.sportlink.co.uk/neil-featherby-the-amazing-story-of-tommy-hughes-a-true-inspiration/
Cruiser wrote:
Think thread was hard to read. A lot of jealous people about, just because you can't do it dosnt mean people who can are cheaters, more than likely just train a hell of a lot harder than you!!
Here's a decent article that sums up my dad's life really.
https://www.sportlink.co.uk/neil-featherby-the-amazing-story-of-tommy-hughes-a-true-inspiration/
Thanks for posting this, not sure it will shut them up though.
The thread is almost impossible to follow, with insinuations, insults at each other, multiple block quotes, when simply saying "what an inspiration"...that's all. That is what I take out at my age a couple of years older and gunning for another sub 3 some time.
Thanks again
Armstronglivs wrote:
not smoking, reducing alcohol intake etc. can all help do that..
Or maybe more of both. lol
Dope Hardstrong wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
That's like saying he's 30 when he is 60. Only drugs can do that.
So you think T levels can't remain higher for some guys? Or what if something like Stemtech could trigger your balls again. Would that be OK?
If he was 30 at 60 he'd still be running 2:14.
T is probably like hair, Most guys at 60 have very little but some still have it all.
Of course you'd say those guys were just using drugs for hair.
Of course some will have higher T levels at 60 than others. But you won't have as much as in your youth, and nor will you have the same muscle strength and cardiovascular capacity. But if you are running like a fit young adult guy at 60 you're unlikely to be doing that naturally. The examples I gave of Shaheed's masters records is that at 60 he was no faster than a good 14 year-old. And he has been an exceptional athlete.
Your wrong wrote:
dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:
Post a link to where a 60 year old has run 32:48 on the track. I will be waiting......
Here you go
https://arrs.run/SA_R10K.htm
You posted the wrong link since that one doesn't have an 10k track times on it. I guess I will have to keep waiting......
Cruiser wrote:
Think thread was hard to read. A lot of jealous people about, just because you can't do it dosnt mean people who can are cheaters, more than likely just train a hell of a lot harder than you!!
Here's a decent article that sums up my dad's life really.
If you don't mind sharing, what has been your father's history with supplements? If he doesn't take anything, and has never taken extraneous T or anything else, that would be very useful to know.
Do you know if he has been drug tested recently? Again, it would be useful information. If he's been tested every so often, that would make it more likely that his records are clean and legit.
my 2c wrote:
Cruiser wrote:
Think thread was hard to read. A lot of jealous people about, just because you can't do it dosnt mean people who can are cheaters, more than likely just train a hell of a lot harder than you!!
Here's a decent article that sums up my dad's life really.
If you don't mind sharing, what has been your father's history with supplements? If he doesn't take anything, and has never taken extraneous T or anything else, that would be very useful to know.
Do you know if he has been drug tested recently? Again, it would be useful information. If he's been tested every so often, that would make it more likely that his records are clean and legit.
He has never really taken any supplements, has a good clean healthy diet when training and trains hard. Even during the marathon he's not one for gels or special drinks, he just uses the water stations.
No he hasn't been drug tested recently, he hasn't been drug tested since the 1990s when he competed at the Olympics.
He was due to run at World masters in Toronto this year but obviously they were cancelled. He will be in Finland next year for the European/World masters.
Also tonight he and another over 60 are going for the over 60s world record in 3000m on the track, very short for my dad but he willing to give it a go. If anyone is interested I can post a link, it us being shown on YouTube, races start at 7pm with his race being the 4th race on.
And the track means he will NOT be wearing the next %
Armstronglivs wrote:
Dope Hardstrong wrote:
So you think T levels can't remain higher for some guys? Or what if something like Stemtech could trigger your balls again. Would that be OK?
If he was 30 at 60 he'd still be running 2:14.
T is probably like hair, Most guys at 60 have very little but some still have it all.
Of course you'd say those guys were just using drugs for hair.
Of course some will have higher T levels at 60 than others. But you won't have as much as in your youth, and nor will you have the same muscle strength and cardiovascular capacity. But if you are running like a fit young adult guy at 60 you're unlikely to be doing that naturally. The examples I gave of Shaheed's masters records is that at 60 he was no faster than a good 14 year-old. And he has been an exceptional athlete.
But he could still have nearly the same levels. Remember he was MUCH faster than a typical fit young adult at 30.
He's already non-typical in his initial Marathon improvement from grinder to World Class. More like a Dick Beardsley.
Dope Hardstrong wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Of course some will have higher T levels at 60 than others. But you won't have as much as in your youth, and nor will you have the same muscle strength and cardiovascular capacity. But if you are running like a fit young adult guy at 60 you're unlikely to be doing that naturally. The examples I gave of Shaheed's masters records is that at 60 he was no faster than a good 14 year-old. And he has been an exceptional athlete.
But he could still have nearly the same levels. Remember he was MUCH faster than a typical fit young adult at 30.
He's already non-typical in his initial Marathon improvement from grinder to World Class. More like a Dick Beardsley.
Most men will typically lose testosterone at a rate of 1% a year from age 30. So that's about 30% by age 60. But remember we also lose muscle mass, bone density and cardiovascular capacity. Everyone ages. You can't be anywhere near what you were in your youth in later life. You're trying to suggest he won't have aged significantly from 30-60. He may have aged less than other men but he won't be anywhere near what he could have been capable of in his prime.
He was due to run at World masters in Toronto this year but obviously they were cancelled. He will be in Finland next year for the European/World masters.
Also tonight he and another over 60 are going for the over 60s world record in 3000m on the track, very short for my dad but he willing to give it a go. If anyone is interested I can post a link, it us being shown on YouTube, races start at 7pm with his race being the 4th race on.[/quote]
Definitely, please post a link!
Armstronglivs wrote:
Dope Hardstrong wrote:
But he could still have nearly the same levels. Remember he was MUCH faster than a typical fit young adult at 30.
He's already non-typical in his initial Marathon improvement from grinder to World Class. More like a Dick Beardsley.
Most men will typically lose testosterone at a rate of 1% a year from age 30. So that's about 30% by age 60. But remember we also lose muscle mass, bone density and cardiovascular capacity. Everyone ages. You can't be anywhere near what you were in your youth in later life. You're trying to suggest he won't have aged significantly from 30-60. He may have aged less than other men but he won't be anywhere near what he could have been capable of in his prime.
Top athletes are not "most men". Expect differences.
I was not suggesting at all that he hasn't aged. I was suggesting his T levels were still high. That seems to be the only form of doping you are accusing almost every old guy of.
My muscle mass measures exactly the same as it has since I was 20. I am 50.
Dope Hardstrong wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Most men will typically lose testosterone at a rate of 1% a year from age 30. So that's about 30% by age 60. But remember we also lose muscle mass, bone density and cardiovascular capacity. Everyone ages. You can't be anywhere near what you were in your youth in later life. You're trying to suggest he won't have aged significantly from 30-60. He may have aged less than other men but he won't be anywhere near what he could have been capable of in his prime.
Top athletes are not "most men". Expect differences.
I was not suggesting at all that he hasn't aged. I was suggesting his T levels were still high. That seems to be the only form of doping you are accusing almost every old guy of.
My muscle mass measures exactly the same as it has since I was 20. I am 50.
You constantly try to shift the goal posts. I didn't say T was the only form of doping available. You also have no idea what Hughes' levels are or whether they have been naturally maintained or not. That he is running superfast doesn't prove that his levels are naturally high or that he is clean. Conversely, we can't argue that fast cannot be achieved by doped athletes.
I also didn't say that elite athletes are "most men" but was making the point that physiological aging is dramatic for most men and even elites will not escape that process. Unless they dope.
If you think it is natural for a 60 year old to be running as well as good runners in their 20's you are incredibly naive. As I said above, the very best at 60 have shown they are at about the level of a good 14 year old. These 60 year olds are already outliers. But you think you can have clean outliers of outliers.
Correct. I don't want to limit myself based on speculation from people who can't do things and believe others shouldn't be able to either.
Dope Hardstrong wrote:
Correct. I don't want to limit myself based on speculation from people who can't do things and believe others shouldn't be able to either.
You have no idea what I can or cannot do. Speculation is ok when you're the one speculating. But no performance will raise any flags with you.
Armstronglivs wrote:
Dope Hardstrong wrote:
Correct. I don't want to limit myself based on speculation from people who can't do things and believe others shouldn't be able to either.
You have no idea what I can or cannot do. Speculation is ok when you're the one speculating. But no performance will raise any flags with you.
I do because you've stated how fast you once were. You've also gone on about degradation of performance and that you doubt you could beat your 10 year old times. I can conclude that you are no age group record holder or even close.
Plenty of performances raise red flags for me, but not pretty much every old guy who does things I haven't.
Huge fan...i hope he keeps crushing it!
Dope Hardstrong wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
You have no idea what I can or cannot do. Speculation is ok when you're the one speculating. But no performance will raise any flags with you.
I do because you've stated how fast you once were. You've also gone on about degradation of performance and that you doubt you could beat your 10 year old times. I can conclude that you are no age group record holder or even close.
Plenty of performances raise red flags for me, but not pretty much every old guy who does things I haven't.
I don't base my view of what is possible in others on what I can or cannot do. Do you? I look at what others can do or have done, in much the same way a coach, talent scout or informed observer would assess the relative abilities of a field. I suppose I might see myself now as an informed observer - of quite a few things.
I also don't see red flags with "pretty much every old guy who does things I haven't". The red flags are with the few who do much more than even the very best in their age group, who have seemed to have avoided even the most modest decline through aging.
I do because I'm still trying.
Nolan Shaheed seems to fit the bill for red flags.
amazing that tommy hughes has made everybody forget how much they hate mo farah!