What does Farah have to do at the Antrim HM to prove he's back?

should be studying 102 wrote:

rupp won chicago too, as well as a second in Boston and a darn good PR.

His PR is 4 whole minutes worse than the best marathoners in the world. His medals and wins at marathon are low-hanging fruit.

In the 10,000, he's the fastest on the track since about 10 years ago. 26:44 is top elite.

Bad Wigins wrote:

should be studying 102 wrote:

rupp won chicago too, as well as a second in Boston and a darn good PR.

His PR is 4 whole minutes worse than the best marathoners in the world. His medals and wins at marathon are low-hanging fruit.

In the 10,000, he's the fastest on the track since about 10 years ago. 26:44 is top elite.

Lol @ a medal from the Olympic marathon being a "low-hanging fruit".

lol @ anyone who thinks a marathon limited to 3 or 4 entrants each from Kenya and Ethiopia is a legit world championship.

And lest we forget, most of the best either didn't want to run in Rio or didn't take it seriously. It's not a top-tier race to anyone but the casual fan.

Hardloper wrote:

ShilohDoesntCare wrote:

The streaks are not anywhere near as fast as VF. I've worn both for a races between 5k and half marathon. The streak is still a good shoe but it is no VF. Jakob used the Alphafly in that road 5k he ran and he was very fast for the last K. He held back a lot through most of the race.

Not my experience but whatever. The point is the VF, and moreso the AF are primarily marathon shoes, so a runner's choice at a shorter distance doesn't indicate which is better for the marathon.

Cheptegei ran the 5k and 10m road WR in Next%. Kosgei ran best ever HM in Next%. At their level, trying to squeeze every last tenth of a second they can, they wouldn't wear VFs if they could run faster in anything else

runderun wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

Not my experience but whatever. The point is the VF, and moreso the AF are primarily marathon shoes, so a runner's choice at a shorter distance doesn't indicate which is better for the marathon.

Cheptegei ran the 5k and 10m road WR in Next%. Kosgei ran best ever HM in Next%. At their level, trying to squeeze every last tenth of a second they can, they wouldn't wear VFs if they could run faster in anything else

but then kipruto smashed the 10k road record with a normal pair of adidas flats.

Bad Wigins wrote:

lol @ anyone who thinks a marathon limited to 3 or 4 entrants each from Kenya and Ethiopia is a legit world championship.

And lest we forget, most of the best either didn't want to run in Rio or didn't take it seriously. It's not a top-tier race to anyone but the casual fan.

Are there more competitive marathons? Yeah, probably. But to say it's low-hanging is just plain silly.

He had no choice, Adidas didn't have anything comparable to the VF at that point. In any case, my point is more that Cheptegei could run in Streaks if he thought they were faster on the roads for 5/10k but he doesn't, he runs in VFs

runderun wrote:

He had no choice, Adidas didn't have anything comparable to the VF at that point. In any case, my point is more that Cheptegei could run in Streaks if he thought they were faster on the roads for 5/10k but he doesn't, he runs in VFs

I didn't say the Streaks are faster, they're about equal. Kipruto ran 26:22 in Adidas. Tadesse ran 58:23 10 years ago (only broken once in VFs). The VFs have only shown noticeable advantage in the full marathon.

Hardloper wrote:

runderun wrote:

He had no choice, Adidas didn't have anything comparable to the VF at that point. In any case, my point is more that Cheptegei could run in Streaks if he thought they were faster on the roads for 5/10k but he doesn't, he runs in VFs

I didn't say the Streaks are faster, they're about equal. Kipruto ran 26:22 in Adidas. Tadesse ran 58:23 10 years ago (only broken once in VFs). The VFs have only shown noticeable advantage in the full marathon.

Not correct. VF Next % is clearly above and beyond the streaks, unfortunately.