61 year old sets WR mile and he's a vegan

The slowest Master I know is a vegan. He was once a pretty decent runner and when he became vegan dramatically slowed.

Dope Hardstrong wrote:

The slowest Master I know is a vegan. He was once a pretty decent runner and when he became vegan dramatically slowed.

Well the guy I know is not afraid of sugar, you need to eat a high carb diet as a vegan to succeed. That means a lot of qaulity fruit or starches from potatoes/grains.

natv wrote:

https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/amp33946026/dan-king-age-group-world-record-mile/

Vegan for 10 years. I know a 61 year old in the UK who is also vegan he is top 3 in UK parkrun runs low 17s every week and did a few 16s in his 50s.

Nice! And faster than YMMV ever was xD

Imagine how much faster he'd be if he was a carnivore.

coach wrote:

Imagine how much faster he'd be if he was a carnivore.

YMMV is the living proof that this is not true.

What?

A world class 61 yr old a Vegan?

What's YMMV going to say? ?

I think that it's great it is working for him! (and apparently also Joe Sheeran, and Nolan Shaheed is a legend and long-term vegetarian, who runs on one meal/day). I have about a dozen friends who are or have been have been vegans; one of them is still vegan long-term and in good shape. The others have by necessity become at least vegetarian, and in some cases had huge health problems, as I did. It seems that perhaps 10% of people can tolerate it long-term. The rest of us require a steady supply of high-nutrition meat, fish or eggs.

I haven't run 4:49 since I was 49, but even by then I was constantly fighting injury issues. Dan is clearly far more intrinsically gifted as a runner (90 sec faster lifetime 5K PR), and seems to ow be able to manage his injury situation. I would not trade my current overall health and fitness (running is my third-best sport), especially the freedom from aches and pains from hard training for any improvement on my mile times.

I am for "whatever works" in training, diet and life. Kudos to those who find their "sweet spot" in overall terms. I certainly feel that I have, although I continue to study, experiment, learn and evolve.

YMMV wrote:

I am for "whatever works" in training, diet and life. Kudos to those who find their "sweet spot" in overall terms. I certainly feel that I have, although I continue to study, experiment, learn and evolve.

This is not the unreasonable, meat eating only YMMV, I know.

Pajac wrote:

natv wrote:

https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/amp33946026/dan-king-age-group-world-record-mile/

Vegan for 10 years. I know a 61 year old in the UK who is also vegan he is top 3 in UK parkrun runs low 17s every week and did a few 16s in his 50s.

Nice! And faster than YMMV ever was xD

+1, also looks much healthier.

natv wrote:

https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/amp33946026/dan-king-age-group-world-record-mile/

Vegan for 10 years. I know a 61 year old in the UK who is also vegan he is top 3 in UK parkrun runs low 17s every week and did a few 16s in his 50s.

4.49 as the world's best at age 61 - which I can believe - is why I find the world mark of 4.19 at age 53 difficult to believe. 30 seconds slower in 8 years.

Can't believe what I'm hearing! wrote:

What?

A world class 61 yr old a Vegan?

What's YMMV going to say? ?

Doesn't matter what you eat when you can afford to spend money at the anti-aging clinic....:)

Whenever someone does something good, people like to latch on to the one oddball thing they do and give it the credit. That odd ball thing is rarely the important thing.

I have nothing against vegan if and when it works, only the cult of veganism. I also consider plants as an inferior food source for most of us.

Armstronglivs wrote:

natv wrote:

https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/amp33946026/dan-king-age-group-world-record-mile/

Vegan for 10 years. I know a 61 year old in the UK who is also vegan he is top 3 in UK parkrun runs low 17s every week and did a few 16s in his 50s.

4.49 as the world's best at age 61 - which I can believe - is why I find the world mark of 4.19 at age 53 difficult to believe. 30 seconds slower in 8 years.

Nolan Shaheed's 4:24 M60 record is about 5 seconds faster, in equivalence.

YMMV wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

4.49 as the world's best at age 61 - which I can believe - is why I find the world mark of 4.19 at age 53 difficult to believe. 30 seconds slower in 8 years.

Nolan Shaheed's 4:24 M60 record is about 5 seconds faster, in equivalence.

You mean his 1500m record? Shaheed doesn't surprise me. He has held most of the age group records since he started running. A bit of a prodigy.

But it does seem extreme to see a fall-off in level from the age 50's to the 60's of nearly half a minute over the 1500/mile. The same differential from the 40's to the 50's would see a 45 runner achieving a 3.50mile.

As a comparison the second fastest over 60-year-old, Nolan Shahid, is an OMAD guy, and has been practicing this one meal a day regimen for a very long time which I believe is at least three decades. Although he only eats one meal a day I believe that that one meal might include all kinds of foods not necessarily vegan. It is true that the vegan diet can be very beneficial but there are many people who cannot sustain it long-term. The vegan diet might be counterproductive for most people both from the physiological and psychological point of you. Think the percentage of vegans in the general population in developed countries is less than 1% and that statistic in and of itself would seem to reveal that the vegan diet is not suitable for most people.

ageing well wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

You mean his 1500m record? Shaheed doesn't surprise me. He has held most of the age group records since he started running. A bit of a prodigy.

But it does seem extreme to see a fall-off in level from the age 50's to the 60's of nearly half a minute over the 1500/mile. The same differential from the 40's to the 50's would see a 45 runner achieving a 3.50mile.

Oh you can f off drug lord. Why do you keep doing this? Get a life.

On the other hand, not everyone ages well.

Armstronglivs wrote:

YMMV wrote:

Nolan Shaheed's 4:24 M60 record is about 5 seconds faster, in equivalence.

You mean his 1500m record? Shaheed doesn't surprise me. He has held most of the age group records since he started running. A bit of a prodigy.

But it does seem extreme to see a fall-off in level from the age 50's to the 60's of nearly half a minute over the 1500/mile. The same differential from the 40's to the 50's would see a 45 runner achieving a 3.50mile.

What are you saying in the 2nd paragraph and who are you referring to?

YMMV wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

4.49 as the world's best at age 61 - which I can believe - is why I find the world mark of 4.19 at age 53 difficult to believe. 30 seconds slower in 8 years.

Nolan Shaheed's 4:24 M60 record is about 5 seconds faster, in equivalence.

Lines up pretty well.

40 - 3:55

45 - 4:10

50 -4:19

55 -4:35

60:-4:48

40->50 you lost 26s

from 50->60 you lose 29s

Realistically the older you get the weaker the records. Lagat needs not intro. Whiteman/Trautman were like 3:55 guys. Brad Barton was a 4 min type guy. This guy was a 14:30 runner (i.e. call it a 4:15 miler). Thats a pretty step drop off in talent. The first group is like 10 people (in the rough age group). the second group is a couple hundred.

The issue is that few people can survive training as they age so the odds of the person who can train being a 3:55 guy versus a 4:15 one is pretty low. And compare the training level of the 50 year olds and this guy. 25mpw and some cross training? Thats lot different than 60mpw Barton was doing. Either he will smash the records over the next couple of years OR he will have to slash training/get injured and be unable to maintain close to the same level of fitness.

Armstronglivs wrote:

natv wrote:

https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/amp33946026/dan-king-age-group-world-record-mile/

Vegan for 10 years. I know a 61 year old in the UK who is also vegan he is top 3 in UK parkrun runs low 17s every week and did a few 16s in his 50s.

4.49 as the world's best at age 61 - which I can believe - is why I find the world mark of 4.19 at age 53 difficult to believe. 30 seconds slower in 8 years.

You need to compare lifetime PRs too.