Gressier 3:36.01 Ostrava, pb

2020 List 51 runners under 1330 so far (September 11, 2020), not bad considering Covid and all the ramifications.

2020 recap:

Gressier is 17th on the list well behind Crippa who is seventh on the list with 13:02.26. Both have similar talent levels I feel, even though I feel Crippa has a slight edge in pure talent and biomechanics. In addition, the Ethiopian born Italian has a slightly faster 1500 m at 3:35. But sometimes talent, biomechanics and intrinsic worth do not surpass absolute mental strength of which JG is right at the top of the scale and that is what will bring him to the higher level I feel ultimately. He wants it so badly. Hopefully, for his own good, GG will curb his addiction to McDee’s and KFC.

Foppen is 3 years older than Oumaiz and Mohumed and 2 years older then Hassan ...

Gressier is 2 years older than Oumaiz and Mohumed and 1 year older than Hassan ...

Ghost1 wrote:

2020 recap:

Hopefully, for his own good, GG will curb his addiction to McDee’s and KFC.

Of course

Hmananan wrote:

Foppen is 3 years older than Oumaiz and Mohumed and 2 years older then Hassan ...

Gressier is 2 years older than Oumaiz and Mohumed and 1 year older than Hassan ...

You’re right about chronological age and Jaygee is slightly older than some of those guys but he only started running at 16.5 years so he has less mileage in his legs than most of those other guys. So age is not the only factor as you have to factor in the number of years that a person has been running and their margin for improvement long-term and Jaygee has a very big margin of improvement. He will soon start training at the French National Institute of sport so next year you will see the fruits of his labor there thanks to the impressive structure where no stone is left unturned. That is the French system which is very good in the middle distances.

Ghost1 wrote:

I haven’t forgotten him but he’s on such a different level, stratospheric level, that he is not the future of European running he’s already there on the world level and right up there. People like Gressier, Foppen and Oumaiz are also great runners but not at the same stratospheric level but they will still become very good and hopefully close to 13 minutes for 5000 m for example. By then Jacob might be down to about 1240 or less for 5000 m so it’s definitely a different level. When I mentioned the future I’m talking about the next 23 years up to Paris 2024."

Other promising European youngsters:

The Brits Josh Kerr and Max burgin.

The Swedes Andreas Kramer and Kalle Berglund.

And from "next generation": The Danish 16 years olds Axel Vang Christensen and Joel Ibler Lillesø.

Axel set WB in the 10000m when he was 14 with 30:50 and WB in the 5000m at 15 with 14:06 (Better than Jakob I´s 15 year´s time).

Joel is no. 1 in this year´s U18 Toplist in the 1500m with 3:44.5 (less than 5 seconds behind Jakob I), no. 3 in the 5000m with 13:57 (Axel is no. 4) and no. 5 on the 10km road with 30:02.

Christensen’s 5000 at 15 with 14:06 is equal to around 29:05-29:12, and close to 28:59 potential which is phenomenal for a young, well fed Euro runner.

Joel´s 10km road at 30:02 was run in February. His recent 13:57 in the 5000m indicates a 10000m in around 28:55!

That would have made him no. 1 in this years Toplist in U18! (same diversity as Sifan Hassan: No 1 in both 1500m and 10000m).

@ghost1: any news on the French Championships in Albi? Is the 5000m today? Any possibility to follow?

I think JG is/will be an outstanding athlete at the European level and should break some national records, most probably the 10000m one. The 5000 might be out of reach though.

Right you are. And let's add Emil Millan Oliva, SWE (19) and Narve Nordas , NO (21) on the list.

From the shadows wrote:

@ghost1: any news on the French Championships in Albi? Is the 5000m today? Any possibility to follow?

I think JG is/will be an outstanding athlete at the European level and should break some national records, most probably the 10000m one. The 5000 might be out of reach though.

Yes it is the French championships today but the times will be very slow because the weather is very hot so don’t look for a good times

Hassan is on a completely different level talent-wise. Who was the last native european guy to win a 5k/10k medal at world championships/olympics? Once you have figured that out, you well realize how small the chances of your favorites are to ever win a medal at that level. Even Ingebrigtsen will probably struggle to medal at that level in the 5 k/10 k.

Every year there are super fast japanese teenagers who then go on to not do anything at senior level and that is just the reality for at least 99 % of those guys. In order to beat the african runners and medal at world level you have to be a very special talent and there is maybe one like that every 10 years or so in the US/Europe.

objectiveobserver wrote:

Other promising European youngsters:

The Brits Josh Kerr and Max burgin.

The Swedes Andreas Kramer and Kalle Berglund.

And from "next generation": The Danish 16 years olds Axel Vang Christensen and Joel Ibler Lillesø.

Axel set WB in the 10000m when he was 14 with 30:50 and WB in the 5000m at 15 with 14:06 (Better than Jakob I´s 15 year´s time).

Joel is no. 1 in this year´s U18 Toplist in the 1500m with 3:44.5 (less than 5 seconds behind Jakob I), no. 3 in the 5000m with 13:57 (Axel is no. 4) and no. 5 on the 10km road with 30:02.

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KaareV wrote:

Right you are. And let's add Emil Millan Oliva, SWE (19) and Narve Nordas , NO (21) on the list.

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Agreed! And it is an advantage for Narve Nordaas to trin with the Ingebrigtsens!

Hahahans wrote:

"Hassan is on a completely different level talent-wise. Who was the last native european guy to win a 5k/10k medal at world championships/olympics? Once you have figured that out, you well realize how small the chances of your favorites are to ever win a medal at that level. Even Ingebrigtsen will probably struggle to medal at that level in the 5 k/10 k."

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Do you have problems with reading and understanding? I wrote that the youngster Joel had THE SAME DIVERSITY as Sifan Hassan. I didn´t write that he was on the same level as Hassan; he obviously haven´t proved yet that he will succeed as a senior athlete.

BUT he is high in the U18 Toplist 2020 from the 1500m to the 10km!

And also remember: I wrote about some youngsters as "the future of EUROPEAN running"!

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Regarding Jakob Ingebrigtsen:

I think that you and your East Africans protégées will get a surprise when Jakob decides to focus on the longer distances. Right now I think he has potential to run 12:45 in the 5000m and 7:26 in the 3000m.

I am about to write a more detailled post about this in another thread. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED I WILL GIVE YOU A NOTICE WHEN THIS OTHER POST HAS BEEN WRITTEN?

I agree with you that Jacob can rival the very best in the world at 5000 m. As for Gressier, Crippa, Foppen, Ouaziz etc... They will be in the second pack but not far behind. For the moment, Jacob is the only guy who can match those top guys almost right to the end stride for stride. Jacob has the speed, strength, knowledge, intelligence, determination, and preparation to run with those top guys. The second pack or not before behind but I always feel they will have a couple of Africans in front at least. Basic engineering, when you look at an East African and the way his body shape has been engineered or inherited they will always have a slight advantage. Jacob looks heavy compared to some of those guys and it’s really amazing what he can do despite that semi mesomorphic physique of his. Very rare to find true ectomorphs among Viking stock.

noticer of senseless hatred wrote:

The stats dont think so after Jakob & Crippa.

5000PB

1) Foppen 13:13.06

2) Oumaiz 13:14..14

3) Gressier 13:15.17

4) Hassan 13:18.01

5) Mohumed 13.23+

I still have Gressier above Crippa overall. Gressier has a faster 1500 and has a better road pedigree.

Crippa ran a 3'52" mile in Milan..... as well a 13'02".... step away from the keyboard...

Ghost1 wrote:

Jimmy Gressier continues to improve and brought his record down by a few tenths to 3:36.04. Is he at his limit in the 1500 m? No, I don’t think so. I think within the next two years he can get down to mid 3:33. His mate, Julien Wanders, did not run this one. Kejelcha’s first race of 2020? Is Al Sal. still coaching him?

1 INGEBRIGTSEN Jakob NOR 3:33.92

2 TAKI Kumari KEN 3:34.14

3 MCSWEYN Stewart AUS 3:34.25

4 SASÍNEK Filip CZE 3:35.02

5 FONTES Ignacio ESP 3:35.23

6 RAMSDEN Matthew AUS 3:35.23

7 GREGSON Ryan AUS 3:35.74

8 KEJELCHA Yomif ETH 3:35.96

9 FOPPEN Mike NED 3:36.01

10 GRESSIER Jimmy FRA 3:36.04

11 ROZMYS Michał POL 3:38.94

12 ROGESTEDT Johan SWE 3:39.32

13 ABDELWAHED Ahmed ITA 3:39.61

14 FRIŠ Jan CZE 3:39.92

15 RIVA Federico ITA 3:45.74

CZERWIŃSKI Adam POL DNF

RŮŽIČKA Martin CZE DNF

if you want to put a name to the truly emerging guy of this wrecked season that's Matthew Ramsden and his 3'51" mile.... plus super consistent throughout (incl a super pacing job in Montecarlo)....

I can also run 100 m and the Marathon, does that mean that i have more diversity as Hassan? If we completely disregard the level of performances, then what is the point of even bringing it up?