Why would CNN, and the authors of the study, want to bait people into saying blacks are lazy? To prove people are prejudiced?
Why would CNN, and the authors of the study, want to bait people into saying blacks are lazy? To prove people are prejudiced?
Come on, LaCrosser, you are reading Letsrun discussion board pieces about long distance running. Our sport fought against this selfish amateur status nonsense in the 1970s. The runners you admire now get their paychecks. They don't run 140 miles a week for mere living allowances while their coaches and race organizers take all of the profits.
Why can't "pure capitalists" like yourself just be honest about this rigged system in these power conferences: "Yes, we take advantage of poor black males in basketball and football because it's legal. We are allowed to do, so we do."
By trying to turn this into yet another "Liberals are idiots" response, you don't even respond to a single real issue. Did you read the whole piece?
It is time to divest universities from intercollegiate athletics.
The self-interested coaches at state univerisites (like mine) of so-called minor sports are already ruining any local interest in these sports by (smartly--for their professional advancement) recruiting from all over the world. We recruit golfers, soccer, tennis, and volleyball players from all over Europe and Australia. We recruit runners from Africa and the Caribbean Islands. We're now recruiting baseball players from the Dominican Republic, though women's softball and men's baseball are the most local of the sports (where the very best kid from our college town might make the team). Students don't attend these games, just parents and friends. Certainly local fans of these sports are almost extinct. What is the benefit of collegiate sports to the university students or to the university as a whole?
And seriously, as all of you former athletes know, even the minor sports are massive distractions from true academic achievement. I know, I know, 70% of the students just want to party or get a job, but as many former college athletes know, you can't really learn at a high level until you quit practicing three hours a day and traveling 3-4 days a week.
I wouldn't describe myself as a "pure capitalist". My critique of CNN and the researchers who thought up this study is in their racial view of the situation. It's always the same. "Look at the white devils." Do you think in Africa the rich blacks screw over the poor blacks?
Furthermore, if any of it were true why do Africans take the first chance to come here.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Furthermore, if any of it were true why do Africans take the first chance to come here.
And that’s the ultimate argument about the blm lies, there are plenty of countries where the majority are black that don’t have the “white oppression” which one of those is doing so great??
Is an unpaid internship "a great opportunity" for the intern or is it "taking advantage of the labor of the young" by the employer?
I would argue it's BOTH. It's how the world works. And guess what? A full ride to play ball is a great opportunity no matter how you slice it.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Furthermore, if any of it were true why do Africans take the first chance to come here.
Precisely. The dirty little secret is the USA is the least racist country on planet earth. Recent immigrants and visiting foreigners can attest to that. I challenge you to go to Poland and try to speak the language with even a hint of an accent (they won't understand you and they won't even try). Or go to India and see how the caste system works based on skin tone. Or try out any South American country and let me know how that goes.
Ronald Raegan wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Furthermore, if any of it were true why do Africans take the first chance to come here.
Precisely. The dirty little secret is the USA is the least racist country on planet earth. Recent immigrants and visiting foreigners can attest to that. I challenge you to go to Poland and try to speak the language with even a hint of an accent (they won't understand you and they won't even try). Or go to India and see how the caste system works based on skin tone. Or try out any South American country and let me know how that goes.
It is a political goal. BLM, corporate cave-ins, and the recent civil unrest expose the objective. But clearly when you see Black police chiefs in Seattle and Rochester resign the collapse of BLM becomes more certain. Totally B.S. narrative while Democratically administered cities and states fail. Why? They have used and created infrastructure for the exploitation of Blacks.
I can't see (after skimming over the original article) that the researchers are trying to demonize white athletes or the white public at all, but I can see that some CNN readers would only read the headline and perhaps not really read the conclusions (which seem sound to me based on my experience) and go that direction.
Of course rich Africans screw over poor Africans. Rich anyone will typically screw over poor anyone.
I've had countless poor African, rural white, and urban black students at my division 1 state university totally taken advantage of by the university athletic system. The coaches take fliers on them, bring them here knowing there's a 75% chance they can't make it academically, and then after two years of academic struggles (or injury), these kids go back home with nothing. During this same period, I have had countless European athletes who are getting much closer to a salary in my opinion, because American education is a breeze for them and they're getting four more years of sports before they move back home to live and work. That's a very different scenario then thinking/feeling this is your (or your family's) one shot to make it and not really believing in your ability to do it (academically, that is) even when your Athletic Academic Assistance center is trying all their tricks.
Most of us thought it was wrong to not let American Olympic athletes get paid. Why shouldn't those football and basketball players get their piece of the massive pie? The writers of the study are arguing that they are being "artificially constrained" from sharing in the profit like normal employees would.
That massive pie is being devoured at the moment by overhead expenses. College sports could not afford the infrastructure, let alone athlete salaries in hard times. In the past athletics was just a path to an education, asking for more is a perversion of academics. Covid 19 points out the problem and fallacy of the current system. Same is true for the university system as a whole.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
BLM has whitey on the run.
Well if that's the case, then NFL has some serious major financial problems coming in the way.
When people that bash heads at each other start to get their salaries sliced in half in a sport with 4 years lifespan, there is going to be problems.
Well if that's the case, then NFL has some serious major financial problems coming in the way.
When people that bash bodies and heads at each other start to get their salaries sliced in half in a sport with 4 years lifespan, there is going to be problems.
The U.S. is rated 100th on racism.
How is bringing kids who cannot or never plan on succeeding academically not a perversion of academics? Basketball and football started this perversion a long time ago.
At our university, Africans still use athletics as a path to an education in track and cross-country, but in the other "minor sports" most of those kids could get to college anyway (not all, but most).
You are absolutely right about the overhead. But please note that this is administrators and athletics folks making the big money who want big buildings and programs. Most of us faculty just need an office and a simple classroom.
Time to Kill College Sports wrote:
Just cancel all college sports. Sometimes you have to give people what they want. Just cut them all, even track & field. If it is considered labor and the athletes aren't benefiting, it is cruel to make them participate.
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Club system might be better. Run for your local coach/team. The sport would get stronger as everyone could train and compete and your better runners qualify for state, regional, national championships. D1 college programs don't grow the sport outside the college campus.
No need for hyperbole, Mr. President. Are there other racist countries? Of course. But in thirty years at the university, I have never heard a foreign student say that this is the least-racist country in the world.
And why would that be a dirty little secret if it were true? And who would be keeping it? That's a goofy kind of statement. I've lived in midwestern and southern towns where a decent percentage of folks are proud to be racist. How many millions of Americans forwarded racist memes and emails about the Obamas during those eight years of his presidency?
Who knows if this map is accurate and what their methodology was. I am lazy b/c it's 12:30 am. But, check it out anyway!
aw0i wrote:
Time to Kill College Sports wrote:
Just cancel all college sports. Sometimes you have to give people what they want. Just cut them all, even track & field. If it is considered labor and the athletes aren't benefiting, it is cruel to make them participate.
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Club system might be better. Run for your local coach/team. The sport would get stronger as everyone could train and compete and your better runners qualify for state, regional, national championships. D1 college programs don't grow the sport outside the college campus.
Not sure OP's angle but that article made complete sense. A lot of non revenue generating sports are affluent white people sports. Football and basketball subsidize everything else so, yeah, the article is not wrong. They also subsidize salaries for admin & coaches. Reason enough to set up unions & designate them as workers with all the money involved.
Sports getting cut is bothering me because schools will cut before considering other options. I'd like to see D1 schools take a closer look at the D3 model or what public high schools everywhere do. Keep to local and regional meets. It can't cost very much to take a bus to get to meets 0-3 hours away. No food stipends. No hotels. Compete with the schools around you. Then once a year have a national meet. It shouldn't be this hard or this cut/dry to just get rid of sports. I went to a D1 east coast school. We would send individual athletes to California for the weekend to run a time at a meet they could've run in Boston.
Cut the waste in both non revenue generating sports & revenue generating sports. Pump that money back into education. Reduce tuition. Create scholarships. Etc.
La Crosser wrote:
Who knows if this map is accurate and what their methodology was. I am lazy b/c it's 12:30 am. But, check it out anyway!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/15/a-fascinating-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-racially-tolerant-countries/
So, according to this map, the US, Canada, UK, Scandinavia, Australia, New Zealand, Brazil, Colombia, and Argentina are the "least racist" by far. India, the Middle East, and Africa are the most racist. But I thought only white people can be racist?
RIP: D3 All-American Frank Csorba - who ran 13:56 in March - dead
RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
Running for Bowerman Track Club used to be cool now its embarrassing
Rest in Peace Adrian Lehmann - 2:11 Swiss marathoner. Dies of heart attack.
Hats off to my dad. He just ran a 1:42 Half Marathon and turns 75 in 2 months!
Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year