Lenny Leonard wrote:
Lenny Leonard wrote:
People who say they are “inclusive” but see this as some kind of “fairness” can’t have it both ways.
Let her run against women. Period. If you disagree with that, then you are not “inclusive.” You have lost the ability to describe yourself with that term.
Women's events are a protected category. So are age-related events. Inclusivity only extends to those who conform to the necessary criteria for those events. Transgender and intersex athletes are able to compete in the women's category, but the rules as confirmed by the Swiss Appeal Court require hormonal suppression of their testosterone to biological female levels. Inclusivity balanced against fairness - to biological females.
You talk about it like it is a objective fact, when that "rule" is brand new and based off of an arbitrary metric. For her entire career, Caster was allowed to compete. Nothing had changed with her biology, except now you have the vote of some people that say she shouldn't.
If you are such a rule-follower, then you must agree that she was okay to compete in 2010 and 2012 and even 2018. Since nothing has changed with her, she should get to continue to compete against women.
Rules have a purpose. If the purpose changes or the rules don't fit that purpose then they are changed. It isn't just sports that do that - it's what governments do. Laws - which are rules - change.
Athletics ruling body recognized it couldn't ensure fair competition in women's sport if biological males/intersex athletes were able to compete in women's sport without restriction. The IAAF has come to a compromise: those who identify as female can compete but have to do so on the same basis as biological women, which is to reduce their testosterone to female levels. (That still leaves them with the other physical advantages they have gained from their hypo-androgenism, such as greater muscle mass, stronger and bigger bones and greater cardiovascular capacity).
The sport tried to change the rules some years ago and for a period Semenya had to suppress her T-levels. She appealed and it is only now, several years later, that the issue has been legally resolved. I don't see women athletes protesting against the decision.
I understand that laws change. I mentioned that in my last post.
What you are saying is that you would have been in favor or something like school segregation when it was lawful, and then once the law changed, your opinion would change.
I'm saying I feel the same about Semenya as I did previously. You are saying your opinion has changed because of some decision.
If I were a woman athlete, I would be frightened to speak up for Caster. They are in a hard position and I cannot judge them for being silent when speaking up be difficult.