WTF this is crazy. Dismiss them sure but at least give them their tuition. This is highway robbery.
WTF this is crazy. Dismiss them sure but at least give them their tuition. This is highway robbery.
Fortunately I am in an IT career where you can learn all you need online and with an IDE. Didn't have to pay a bunch of money to a university to learn Java. Self-taught.
Well, they were paying $36,500 for a study abroad program in Boston, so that says something. I bet that they will win a lawsuit, however.
They were at a WESTIN HOTEL in Boston for a "study abroad" semester.
True insanity.
Were all of the students foreign exchange students?
$36,500 for Northeastern? You gotta be kidding me. Even Northwestern isn’t worth that much. When are people going to stop paying these ridiculously inflated tuition prices for 2nd and 3rd tier universities, especially when so much “learning” can be done remotely now?
What is a college degree really worth anymore? wrote:
$36,500 for Northeastern? You gotta be kidding me. Even Northwestern isn’t worth that much. When are people going to stop paying these ridiculously inflated tuition prices for 2nd and 3rd tier universities, especially when so much “learning” can be done remotely now?
As long as the Feds sign off on the loans they'll keep paying it! They're not thinking long term about job market and student loan debt.
You're a fool if you get in a bunch of debt for a non-hard sciences major.
Perfect - so now you can work as a monotonous code monkey squinting at a computer screen all day while the uni grads are out interacting with real people and making important decisions . Enjoy!
bartholomew_maxwell wrote:
Fortunately I am in an IT career where you can learn all you need online and with an IDE. Didn't have to pay a bunch of money to a university to learn Java. Self-taught.
footballlover76 wrote:
Perfect - so now you can work as a monotonous code monkey squinting at a computer screen all day while the uni grads are out interacting with real people and making important decisions . Enjoy!
bartholomew_maxwell wrote:
Fortunately I am in an IT career where you can learn all you need online and with an IDE. Didn't have to pay a bunch of money to a university to learn Java. Self-taught.
I'm a team lead meaning that I do a lot more instructing and socializing with upper leadership than I do coding now...The only code monkeys are the junior devs for the most part.
footballlover76 wrote:
Perfect - so now you can work as a monotonous code monkey squinting at a computer screen all day while the uni grads are out interacting with real people and making important decisions . Enjoy!
bartholomew_maxwell wrote:
Fortunately I am in an IT career where you can learn all you need online and with an IDE. Didn't have to pay a bunch of money to a university to learn Java. Self-taught.
You're only a code monkey for your first few years in IT if you're worth anything. Otherwise you move up to team lead and eventually you get to sit in on product design meetings like me.
footballlover76 wrote:
Perfect - so now you can work as a monotonous code monkey squinting at a computer screen all day while the uni grads are out interacting with real people and making important decisions . Enjoy!
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You clearly know nothing about how a real IT shop operates. We're not some outsourced firm where that may be true and where all of the design is done somewhere else and then sent to the outsourced firm for them to put the code monkeys at it.
But that is not true where I work. We do a lot of the design in-house and our junior devs do most of the coding.
righhht - so now you're sitting in meetings talking about code...exciting....
Oh also, everyone and their dog where I'm from is "team lead" or "head UX designer". These guys are a dime a dozen.
Finally - you're trashing kids that went to a good school, had the time of their lives for 4 years collaborating with peers, making friends, building networks and getting a credential from a reputable source on their resume while you sat alone learning how to code for 2 years then worked as a junior dev for another couple years so you could finally get a job title that everyone and his dog has?
Oh also, coding isn't a "hard science". A good % of high school kids in Seattle where I live could do your job. Heck, half the country of India could do what you do. Every introvert with a computer and some free time has the potential to take your job. The real value is the people who can actually identify, market, sell, supply chain etc. the product. Which you have no idea how to do. You just build software like all the other millions of products out there.
bartholomew_maxwell wrote:
What is a college degree really worth anymore? wrote:
$36,500 for Northeastern? You gotta be kidding me. Even Northwestern isn’t worth that much. When are people going to stop paying these ridiculously inflated tuition prices for 2nd and 3rd tier universities, especially when so much “learning” can be done remotely now?
As long as the Feds sign off on the loans they'll keep paying it! They're not thinking long term about job market and student loan debt.
You're a fool if you get in a bunch of debt for a non-hard sciences major.
Can’t say I disagree. Nothing like the Federal government to distort markets with “well-intentioned” subsidies without reasonable consideration of the negative long-term consequences.
yesIknowIT wrote:
Oh also, coding isn't a "hard science". A good % of high school kids in Seattle where I live could do your job. Heck, half the country of India could do what you do. Every introvert with a computer and some free time has the potential to take your job. The real value is the people who can actually identify, market, sell, supply chain etc. the product. Which you have no idea how to do. You just build software like all the other millions of products out there.
Ugh yeah you are DEFINITELY clueless!!!!
Coding is not a hard science but I work in a hard science domain where you must understand hard sciences to develop proper algorithms and designs!!!
Do you think any kid in India could write a game engine in C++??? I guess that physics and maths are so easy that anyone can do it right???
It all depends on the INDUSTRY you're working in!!! All of those Indian coders are doing very basic business rules software. where the design is already provided to them, down to what screens they'll need and what rules the software should follow.
The real BRAINS do the DESIGNS. Designing is where deep understanding comes in that goes beyond simply throwing code in an editor.
Yeah maybe for medicine or engineering - but this guy thinks coding is a hard science! I'd rather have some sort of real experience, network, credential in business or economics etc. than software dev experience like everyone else on earth.
What is a college degree really worth anymore? wrote:
Can’t say I disagree. Nothing like the Federal government to distort markets with “well-intentioned” subsidies without reasonable consideration of the negative long-term consequences.
yesIknowIT wrote:
Oh also, coding isn't a "hard science". A good % of high school kids in Seattle where I live could do your job. Heck, half the country of India could do what you do. Every introvert with a computer and some free time has the potential to take your job. The real value is the people who can actually identify, market, sell, supply chain etc. the product. Which you have no idea how to do. You just build software like all the other millions of products out there.
Sighs...Yes, I'm sure the % who can DESIGN software in a hard domain from the ground up are the same ones who can thrive in a university with a good computer science department.
But if all that you can do is code to specs made by someone else, you're not a true computer science. Computer SCIENCE, not CODING, is the hard sciences part. Coding is just one tool in the toolbox that a computer scientist uses.
yesIknowIT wrote:
Yeah maybe for medicine or engineering - but this guy thinks coding is a hard science! I'd rather have some sort of real experience, network, credential in business or economics etc. than software dev experience like everyone else on earth.
What is a college degree really worth anymore? wrote:
Can’t say I disagree. Nothing like the Federal government to distort markets with “well-intentioned” subsidies without reasonable consideration of the negative long-term consequences.
If you knew what you were talking about you'd know that computer science is a hard science. Even though i not is went to university I still did well in math in high school taking AP Calculus. I know how to design software from the ground up. I've written scrabble playing software.
Our company spends tons of money and it still usually takes us 3 months to find a good software engineer. Good software engineers are very rare.
A degree is just nothing more than a license saying "I'm smart enough to meet the basic requirements for doing X"....It doesn't mean you're unique or going to be good at doing X in the real world. A university lecture hall is a simulated environment, not a real environment. All of the answers start and end at the university. It's meaningless. I'm more impressed by the self-starter.
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