What is going on with the Oklahoma men’s XC team?

sooner ex wrote:

TCU > OU wrote:

They had five transfer out, a few others graduated or quit and likely only brought in one or two freshmen (which don't seem to be listed).

Haley Herberg - 15:58- Washington

Luke George - 1:50/3:47 - Arkansas

Eric Casarez - 14:03 - A&M

Ackeen Colley - 4:03 - Illinois

Tyler Tickner - 9:15 hs - CBU

Luke Reid - 9:08 hs - Florida State

Joshua Dick - 1:52 - Kansas

Heath Warren - 3:48 - Quit

Elise Boisvert - Cal

Reagan Kappel - quit

Preston Pope - 9:15 hs - quit

Tucker Desko - 1:53 quit

Tyler Phillips - 24:40 - quit

Wow I figured some had transferred, but for that many to quit or transfer shows how bad things must be.

hemorrhoid wrote:

Hey buddy, you’re embarrassing yourself. It’s okay to admit you’re wrong sometimes.

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Please elaborate. Ohiobuff said my post was mixed up. I responded to him with additional information corroborating my original statements. Along the way scrambledeggs and I seem to have misunderstood each other. Then you generously chime in and tell me I'm embarrassing myself and that I'm wrong.

Go ahead and be thorough this time around - I'll happily retract and correct anything I said that was inaccurate or wrong.

ahmally wrote:

The current distance coach has a worse xc/Track related resume than the local grocer at Whole Foods:

If you don’t think politics was involved with this hire, you’re either the coach responding under an alias, or you like to see the world burn. Either way, fire them immediately, bring someone on that has an actual pulse for the sport. This person has zero business coaching.

The women are terrible too. Top times from this past indoor season:

800-2:19

Mile - 5:15

3,000 - 10:09

DMR - 12:36

Most D3 schools have better results than that.

buckcherry456 wrote:

When you hire an African American Female (Title 9) coach who knows virtually nothing about distance running, expect it to look like this after a year. They destroyed cross to create scholarships for other events on the track. What a joke.

Why does every team have to care about cross? There are plenty of 'track and field teams' that invest in just cross and long distance. Be good at what you can be good at with your staff and resources, you can't be good at everything.

It's a fair question why there are just 4 men on the xc roster. Did the rest leave on their own? Why did they leave? Was OU just trying to clear more spots on football and balancing title IX or what? They did finish 15th at Pre-Nats, which isn't bad. As for the coach's resume, she did coach at hs, club, and three other universities, which is a good deal of experience, so not exactly as thin a coaching resume as Steve Nash.

zxczxcv wrote:

It's a fair question why there are just 4 men on the xc roster. Did the rest leave on their own? Why did they leave? Was OU just trying to clear more spots on football and balancing title IX or what? They did finish 15th at Pre-Nats, which isn't bad. As for the coach's resume, she did coach at hs, club, and three other universities, which is a good deal of experience, so not exactly as thin a coaching resume as Steve Nash.

They were 15th in the slow race. Big difference

In Martin smith’s last few years, OU finished nationally 12th, 5th, 6th, 8th. Now they wouldn’t finish the top 25 at regionals (that’s if they had enough runners to score). The new coach has some interesting training ideas. I feel bad for those who are still on the team.

Looks like they have updated the roster and have a team of 10, which includes 6 freshmen. I think some of you owe Ms. Darden an apology as it looks like she was able to put together a great first recruiting class.

Cox- 15:31 (5k) 10:13 (3200) 4:30 (mile)

Morales- 15:16 (5k) 9:26 (3200) 4:22 (1600)

Ortega- 17:05 (5k) 4:33 (1600)

Pelkey- 16:30 (5k) 10:04 (3200) (4:34 mile)

Schwartz- 16:16 (5k) 9:53 (3200) 4:25 (1600)

Teuscher- (not sure why he is listed as a freshmen as he was on the team in 2017) 16:01 college 5k best

Norman Gnome wrote:

Looks like they have updated the roster and have a team of 10, which includes 6 freshmen. I think some of you owe Ms. Darden an apology as it looks like she was able to put together a great first recruiting class.

Cox- 15:31 (5k) 10:13 (3200) 4:30 (mile)

Morales- 15:16 (5k) 9:26 (3200) 4:22 (1600)

Ortega- 17:05 (5k) 4:33 (1600)

Pelkey- 16:30 (5k) 10:04 (3200) (4:34 mile)

Schwartz- 16:16 (5k) 9:53 (3200) 4:25 (1600)

Teuscher- (not sure why he is listed as a freshmen as he was on the team in 2017) 16:01 college 5k best

Great recruiting class? Are those women?

fact checker 642572498 wrote:

Norman Gnome wrote:

Looks like they have updated the roster and have a team of 10, which includes 6 freshmen. I think some of you owe Ms. Darden an apology as it looks like she was able to put together a great first recruiting class.

Cox- 15:31 (5k) 10:13 (3200) 4:30 (mile)

Morales- 15:16 (5k) 9:26 (3200) 4:22 (1600)

Ortega- 17:05 (5k) 4:33 (1600)

Pelkey- 16:30 (5k) 10:04 (3200) (4:34 mile)

Schwartz- 16:16 (5k) 9:53 (3200) 4:25 (1600)

Teuscher- (not sure why he is listed as a freshmen as he was on the team in 2017) 16:01 college 5k best

Great recruiting class? Are those women?

Looks like those are in fact guys, apart from Morales it doesn’t look great.

Norman Gnome wrote:

Looks like they have updated the roster and have a team of 10, which includes 6 freshmen. I think some of you owe Ms. Darden an apology as it looks like she was able to put together a great first recruiting class.

Cox- 15:31 (5k) 10:13 (3200) 4:30 (mile)

Morales- 15:16 (5k) 9:26 (3200) 4:22 (1600)

Ortega- 17:05 (5k) 4:33 (1600)

Pelkey- 16:30 (5k) 10:04 (3200) (4:34 mile)

Schwartz- 16:16 (5k) 9:53 (3200) 4:25 (1600)

Teuscher- (not sure why he is listed as a freshmen as he was on the team in 2017) 16:01 college 5k best

I guess it shows that if you are slow and want to go P5, just go to OU.

VanHoy to take the Volunteer Distance position here and turn things around

Norman Gnome wrote:

Looks like they have updated the roster and have a team of 10, which includes 6 freshmen. I think some of you owe Ms. Darden an apology as it looks like she was able to put together a great first recruiting class.

Cox- 15:31 (5k) 10:13 (3200) 4:30 (mile)

Morales- 15:16 (5k) 9:26 (3200) 4:22 (1600)

Ortega- 17:05 (5k) 4:33 (1600)

Pelkey- 16:30 (5k) 10:04 (3200) (4:34 mile)

Schwartz- 16:16 (5k) 9:53 (3200) 4:25 (1600)

Teuscher- (not sure why he is listed as a freshmen as he was on the team in 2017) 16:01 college 5k best

Great recruiting class? Please tell me this is sarcasm. Seen way better D3 classes.

Results from today.

1 Oklahoma State 23

2 Iowa State 32

3 Kansas State 104

4 Kansas 114

5 North Texas 176

6 Baylor 226

7 UTEP 241

8 Texas Tech 245

9 Stephen F. Austin 251

10 Central Arkansas 272

11 Oklahoma Christian 277

12 Texas State 289

13 Oklahoma 322

WOW. Oklahoma women averaged 24:07 which is 6:28 pace. For the record, that's slower than a 20 min 5k.

Oklahoma men averaged 26:40 which is 5:22 pace. That's slower than 16:40 pace for 5k

all on a FAST course. Sad.

Obviously Distance is an afterthought now. OU is the next Speed City for sprints

fact checker 642572498 wrote:

WOW. Oklahoma women averaged 24:07 which is 6:28 pace. For the record, that's slower than a 20 min 5k.

Oklahoma men averaged 26:40 which is 5:22 pace. That's slower than 16:40 pace for 5k

all on a FAST course. Sad.

Totally agree that these are shocking times for a D1 school. I also though the recruiting class was women.

However, it needs to be said that the OK State course is definitely not 'fast' at all - very difficult and hilly - at least it was when we ran it back in the mid-90s; there is very long hill from the start (I think 800m- 1k long) which the men ran up twice, and the women once. The rest of the course was hilly and unpredictable with different terrain (soft in many parts). Harder for rhythm/track style runners. We found that it was one of the slower courses, but still no excuses for those sorts of times from OU today. Based on today's results, the top times in the men's 8k were very impressive, as were a few of the top women's (Logue particularly). OK State men look good, as does Iowa. Expect that the top finishers will figure at NCAAs (teams and individuals). Of course, they won't be top, as they don't have the massive advantage of altitude, a la UNM, Colorado et al. , but expect they'll be top 20 or so.

MrWiggleBottom wrote:

Obviously Distance is an afterthought now. OU is the next Speed City for sprints

I bet the club running team at Oklahoma can beat the varsity team. I bet the soccer team could beat the XC team.

It doesn't matter what their priorities are. If you have a distance coach with a pulse you should be able to have a team that's at least 90 seconds faster on average (both genders).