Is Florida About to Make the Same COVID Mistake Again?

We shall see, but Florida today reports the highest positive rates for infection since September 8 (5.88% adjusted/7.55% raw #) and significantly higher than the rates recently. Deaths and cases have pretty much plateaued instead of just falling all the way down like in the Northeast. The uptick may be beginning...again.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/os-ne-florida-coronavirus-tuesday-september-22-20200922-efbvwejyr5ekbeubv73twjkc6y-story.html

The state had a lot of old people from March to mid-June, by which point only 3,000 had died of COVID-19 in Florida. In the past three months, over 10,000 people died of COVID-19 in Florida. And that was in the summer, when mortality usually decreases. So, this radically increased the rate of death for old people. It wasn't anything like the same old.

The only mistake Florida could make would be to shut it all down again. Every doctor I know (which is a lot) thinks this is all political bs not grounded in science. My wife's doctor called it ridiculous. Her 99 year old mother with COPD had COVID and it was nothing more than a runny nose. If you were to test people that die for the common cold on a given year, 30% would probably test positive for the common cold. Just because they are testing every person that dies for COVID and getting some positives doesn't mean COVID is the reason they are dying (unless you want to completely ignore the diabetes, heart disease, and myriad of other ailments they are dying with). Old, sick people die all the time with all kinds of URIs in their systems, we just don't inventory them like hospitals are doing currently (because there is a financial incentive for them to do so). About 7,500 people die in the US each day, considering that 30% or so of the US population has likely had COVID at this point, that would mean 2,250 people dying each day could be considered a COVID death using the CDC accounting procedure.

Florida's currently #3 in the nation in cases, #2 in cases per million, #5 in total deaths, and #15 in deaths per million, but #37 in tests per million. So, cases are likely much higher. Deaths are now 4k above #6. Considering where Florida stood in those rankings prior to re-opening, this has been a miserable performance.

Joe, that's not the CDC counting procedure at all. Dying with COVID does not mean that COVID is what you died of, and that's not how it is counted. It must be "the underlying cause," according to the CDC guidelines. They specifically mention that the physician should be aware of whether there are alternative explanations such as physical trauma. Moreover, if of the normal 7,500 dying per day, 1k-3k have been of COVID-19, that is huge, and this has raised the expected death total by over 200,000, as of mid-August. How could you seriously mourn the 3,000 victims of 9/11 and say this is nothing when there are over 200,000 victims now.

It's coming at higher and higher rates in the colleges and universities already. It took a while for more than a trickle per day positive to five to ten to over 20 per day, but all in all that's about 3-4 weeks for it go increase 20-fold. A few more weeks of increases like that and the schools will have to shut down.

Away you go you clown.

Anybody that has COVID in their system at the time of death or has ever had a positive COVID test is considered a COVID death. If somebody hangs themself and has COVID in their system, they are considered a COVID death. George Floyd was listed as a COVID death. Car crash victims have been counted as COVID deaths. If RBG had COVID in her system when she died, she would be counted as a COVID death (regardless of her 5 bouts of cancer, her heart procedure, etc.). And there is a significant financial incentive for hospital officials to count as many COVID deaths as possible.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/physician-blasts-cdc-coronavirus-death-count-guidelines

Dr. Scott Jensen is politicizing COVID-19. Sadly people like Ingraham will lap this up. The truth is that these are extreme examples that are few and far between. By and large, excess deaths line up with recorded counts.

Have you looked closely at the excess death data? A lot of excess deaths are not COVID related. In my state, we have more excess deaths from other causes (overdoses, people not seeking medical care because they fear they will contract COVID at the hospital, etc.) than we have from COVID since about June. In my town we have 3 times the number of excess deaths from overdoses and twice the number of excess cardiac arrests from people not seeking medical care for fear of COVID than we have covid deaths. The cure is more deadly than the disease.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

We shall see, but Florida today reports the highest positive rates for infection since September 8 (5.88% adjusted/7.55% raw #) and significantly higher than the rates recently. Deaths and cases have pretty much plateaued instead of just falling all the way down like in the Northeast. The uptick may be beginning...again.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/os-ne-florida-coronavirus-tuesday-september-22-20200922-efbvwejyr5ekbeubv73twjkc6y-story.html

My God the fear mongers are stupid. Infection rate and new cases are purely a function of tests performed either way the fear mongers with. Only test a small piece of the population and focus on sick people high positivity. Test a large portion, lots of cases. Cases are down from peak, hospitalizations are down. Deaths are trending down and will decline further since they lag the hospitalization curve.

This terrible disease has killed .06% percent of the US population over 6 months. Half of who(or more) had a life expectancy ranging from days to less than a year. How much longer can you keep freaking out and causing real suffering through this hysteria?

While this may be your goal as the troll du jour on lrc, let me just say that:

You sound like an uneducated fouktard.

So, either good trolling or seek help. One or the other.

Joe, that is pure BS and who believes Laura and the Trump State News Agency, know as FOX ?!?

It's really not just number of tests that they are doing that is cranking up the numbers.

It is the tests themselves that are doing it. If they are using excessive cycles- which they are in most instances- they will find viral debris that means nothing. If they are cutting costs by cheap reagents- which many are- then the tests will lack specificity resulting in more false positives.

Concerned Senior wrote:

Joe, that is pure BS and who believes Laura and the Trump State News Agency, know as FOX ?!?

And who believes in CNN - the mouthpiece of the radical Left!!!

Good posts as usual. To sum this up it's the radical Left driven-Democratic party that's orchestrated this fearmongering and hype of the coronavirus. They are TERRIFIED at the possibility of Trump getting another 4 yrs in the WH! This actually terrifies them more than this virus ever could. They have used the pandemic as weapon against Trump. This is their ace in the hole to turn voters so much against Trump. They are desperate!

It's constant fearmongering 24/7 with the Democrats - overhyping the virus to no end (just watch CNN). They ignore the fact that their Democratic lead cities are completely falling apart ridden with violent crime and ruled by thugs. People are moving out of these cities in droves! The "Big Apple" has become the rotten Apple under the leadership of a Democratic mayor!

The thought of Trump getting reelected drives the Left insane! ? I have a Leftist acquaintance who is a runner and know him from the gym we both belong to. He says he would literally go crazy if Trump is reelected - to point he would seriously consider leaving the country! I've also read reports where the heavy Democratic states of California, Oregon & Washington would consider seceding if Trump was reelected!

This is why the Democrats have cooked the books, inflated death numbers like crazy, pushed so much for people to take the unrealible PCR test, brainwashed the younger people to believe that they are "evil spreaders," force masks on kids, and continue to convince people that Covid is lurking around every corner just ready to infect & kill them because of Trump.

This is why there are so many paid Democratic trolls here personally attacking those that post information that goes against their agenda...simple as that (who would have thought. Lol).

joedirte wrote:

Every doctor I know (which is a lot) thinks this is all political bs not grounded in science.

Nice try. This is where your argument loses all credibility. Adding info like this to make it sound like your opinion should carry more weight is a tell tale sign that you are exaggerating or making stuff up.

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

My God the fear mongers are stupid............

How much longer can you keep freaking out and causing real suffering through this hysteria?

From the same post ladies and gents.

joedirte wrote:

Have you looked closely at the excess death data? A lot of excess deaths are not COVID related. In my state, we have more excess deaths from other causes (overdoses, people not seeking medical care because they fear they will contract COVID at the hospital, etc.) than we have from COVID since about June. In my town we have 3 times the number of excess deaths from overdoses and twice the number of excess cardiac arrests from people not seeking medical care for fear of COVID than we have covid deaths. The cure is more deadly than the disease.

Don't need you to divulge where you live, but unless you are in a major hotspot this seems like an unlikely scenario. The number of overdoses, cardiac issues, suicides etc. going up is tragic but it's not on the same order of magnitude as deaths from COVID in most places.

No word yet on Florida positivity rate today. They are still tallying major death numbers though (203 today).

I'm not fear-mongering like some accuse me of here, it just doesn't seem to me that Florida has eradicated the spread of the virus enough to be opening up. I am on the side of people who think the Northeast and other areas with good numbers should be carefully reopening. Florida with a true positivity rate over 5% and insufficient testing? Not so much.