Jakob is running the 1500 in Brussels. Will he go under 3:30 again?

For those interested in just the 1500m race, you can view the race here: https://youtu.be/pl1evlHs_Ro

Coevett wrote:

you ARE a lier wrote:

To list all your lies from this forum several pages would be needed. So, it seems, yes, you are a pathological lier.

Says a creature who chooses an 18 year old pornstar's name as one of its numerous unregistered handles and posts rape and bestiality comments regarding child athletes

What bunch of unbelievable nonsense.

Basically a one man show exhibition run. Left world class runners way back in dust.

Jakob just ran 3:30.70 with absolutely no competition at age 19 and has a pr of 3:28.68. Alan Webb basically everyone's hero here, couldn't sniff a sub-3:30 at age 24 in an all-out effort with Mehdi Baala to draft off of until the last 20 meters. Only here would people rip on this kid.

Coevett wrote:

What on Earth are you talking about?

Are you really quibbling over whether it's 65+ busts or 60+ busts?

You think 1 in 6 athletes busted for doping is 'average'??? Maybe for American sprinters or Russian race walkers.

You think because (according to you) there have been fewer doping positives this year when there have been practically no races is evidence Russian troll SpadeDetector/Observski is right and that I'm a 'pathological lier'???

5 out of 11 of the male finalists in London (if you include the 3 Kenyan men in the marathon) have been busted. And stop claiming that whereabouts failures are 'technically' a doping offence, you disgusting doping apologist.

That's weird that Coevett is coming to the defense of Raddissonn. I wonder ....

Who said 65+? You said 60+. So did I. No quibbling.

You looked at Kenyan men for the 2017 London World Championship. In that case, 60+ becomes 60-.

1 in 6 could be way less than average, according to prevalence estimates from 2011.

2020 is not a normal year. But 2018, and 2019 were less than 2017, according to the AIU.

I don't call you a liar, just point out your inaccuracies.

Prevalence estimates generally do not count whereabouts failures. If they did, then 1 in 6 would be that much less than average.

3:30, barely. Told you he's peaked!

After some 3:31 to 3:35's next year up to 5000 he goes, if 12:35 isn't too much of a deterrent.

Bad Wigins wrote:

3:30, barely. Told you he's peaked!

After some 3:31 to 3:35's next year up to 5000 he goes, if 12:35 isn't too much of a deterrent.

Yes, you make a lot of statements and claims. Even your "arguments" are nothing but claims. One of them: He is so talented so he could have done better. 2) He is more talented than his brothers 3) And the prediction: He is not going to get better at 1500. Yes, you might think that. But you have no real arguments. Claims, claims, and nothing but claims. How do you know all these things? By heavenly inspiration? Or maybe you should write an article in some sport magazine or a PHD in 1500 meter analysis.

KaareV wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

3:30, barely. Told you he's peaked!

After some 3:31 to 3:35's next year up to 5000 he goes, if 12:35 isn't too much of a deterrent.

Yes, you make a lot of statements and claims. Even your "arguments" are nothing but claims. One of them: He is so talented so he could have done better. 2) He is more talented than his brothers 3) And the prediction: He is not going to get better at 1500. Yes, you might think that. But you have no real arguments. Claims, claims, and nothing but claims. How do you know all these things? By heavenly inspiration? Or maybe you should write an article in some sport magazine or a PHD in 1500 meter analysis.

Bad Wigins has 2600 PhDs!

no divide inspiration, but he is more talented than his brothers.

divine.

I cray cray wrote:

Yes, it's a very easy field in which the top american won't end up in the top 5.

That aged poorly...5th place was a mediocre 3:38.22 by Charlie Grice who a poster here put in Kejelcha’s company (ha).

Right, cuz Kejelcha has a far better PR than Grice. Definitely not in Kejelchas company. Lol.

If that aged badly where did the top american end up? Lol

And Grice ran much worse than a month ago. You think he may not be recovering from injury? Gomez ran two 3:33 lows, and he ran much worse here. Just not a night for fast times. Other than Jakob

bengel wrote:

no divide inspiration, but he is more talented than his brothers.

Maybe, but how do we know? EWe might never know, you know. Are you sure that Henrik is not the most talented? He was the first, and Jakob has benefited by being the youngest.

Who would question the kid's talent? Ingebrigtsen ran 3:28.68 at 19. He proved the first Ingebrigtsen to bust through 3:30 and skipping 3:29 along the way. The sky's the limit at this distance. I'd still like him to improve his 800m speed but he's already among the best ever in the 1500m and has room to improve. What can he do with 1:44 800m? But to say that Alan Webb was maxed out at 3:30 when he beat Mehdi Baala, a 3:28 runner himself, in 3:30 in Baala's home stadium is ludicrous. The pace was too slow in that race and Webb destroyed Baala in the last 100m. He could have run 3:28 that night, no question. He had also absolutely crushed Bernard Lagat, who would go on to double gold at World's that very year, in the last 100m with a ferocious sprint finish at both New York grand prix and USA's that month. After all, when he ran 3:46.91 the next month in Belgium, the pace was soft in the third lap, he had no competition, and he knew that he could have gone 3:45.

KaareV wrote:

He is not going to get better at 1500. Yes, you might think that. But you have no real arguments. Claims, claims, and nothing but claims. .

All you're doing is debunking the soundness of your own memory. My argument is, and remains, that Jakob has no grit. And that's easy to observe from watching him race.

Yesterday all he needed to do to get under 3:30 was close in under 56, the same pace he ran the first two laps. He tried to go faster but he couldn't do it because it would have taken a dramatic increase in effort. I've seen this a million times, so have most track fans, and inductive logic is a solid predictor: talent-based runners with no grit peak early and quit once it's no longer easy for them.

You want a runner with grit, try Nigel Amos. He gives 110% trying to win every race he's in. Sometimes he blows up but usually he does win.

I cray cray wrote:

Right, cuz Kejelcha has a far better PR than Grice. Definitely not in Kejelchas company. Lol.

If that aged badly where did the top american end up? Lol

And Grice ran much worse than a month ago. You think he may not be recovering from injury? Gomez ran two 3:33 lows, and he ran much worse here. Just not a night for fast times. Other than Jakob

Grice had one good race he hasn’t backed up. Gomez is a guy having a career year which means 3:33 or 3:34. There are numerous Americans who could’ve gotten in the top 5 if they just had to run 3:36-7 in a single-file time trial like that race. It was a bad field and Kejelcha at least could’ve run 3:31-2 to make it less of an exhibition.

Grice must've been injured since he hasn't improved on his 334 season opener in Monaco seems a little strange?

OK, Bad Wiggins. That is a claim. But not a solid argument. Again, you can't apply your inductive generalization on a single athelet. That's how it works. Theory of science, you know. Or, probably you don't know. And inductive reasoning, at least, has to be backed up by facts, not only your occular anecdotical "observations".And you can't even use it as a predictor. As his trainer Gjert-Arne Ingebrigtsen wrote: His combination of physical and mental abilities is exceptional". Send him a mail and tell him is wrong. By the way, when did you take the course in theory in science? Did you ever read Karl Popper???

any debate is futile...Is HI still injured?