COVID is forever, avoiding it is pointless

Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:

Are we going to eradicate Covid like we eradicated smallpox? No.

Does that mean vaccine is useless? No.

Does that mean taking some precaution until vaccine becomes available is meaningless? No.

It is all about risk management. I want to minimize my risk at reasonable cost.

Define "reasonable." That's the issue here.

Never gonna end wrote:

Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:

Are we going to eradicate Covid like we eradicated smallpox? No.

Does that mean vaccine is useless? No.

Does that mean taking some precaution until vaccine becomes available is meaningless? No.

It is all about risk management. I want to minimize my risk at reasonable cost.

Define "reasonable." That's the issue here.

I have stopped vacation travels and indoor restaurant dining. That's small price to pay.

I also cannot run any races, but that's okay since I am recovering from injury. I can build a bigger base by the time racing returns.

Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:

Never gonna end wrote:

Define "reasonable." That's the issue here.

I have stopped vacation travels and indoor restaurant dining. That's small price to pay. .

Sure, that's reasonable. Wearing a mask everywhere you go, even outdoors? Closing schools? Cancelling all in-person events? Cancelling races? Treating your fellow humans like they are walking radioactive waste? None of that is reasonable.

zxczxcv wrote:

Obama-Biden had a taskforce and funds to prevent such pandemics, which Trump shut down, so that what I said is in the realm of fact, not right wing paranoid fantasy.

Vaccines work. Flu vaccine reduces the severity and prevents thousands of deaths every year. It's not 100% but it is pretty good for something that mutates far more rapidly than ..l

So exactly what I said, it won't stop it but it will make it "less bad". So you think it is reasonable to shut down the whole world until we have a vaccine that will still allow people to get Covid, but it will be "less bad"?

Right now the headlines scream every time there is a bump in the number of infections, not deaths, infections! Often these are young people that are asymptomatic, yet the numbers of infected make the headlines.

Who gets this vaccine if it shows up? The elderly who need it the most, THE CHILDREN DON'T FORGET THE CHILLLLDDDDRRREEEN!... do they get it first? How about people that work dealing in healthcare?

I'm all for a vaccine. I am no antivaxxer by any stretch, but I am not willing to shut down the world waiting for one either.

We shout immediately open up 100% and make sure the most vulnerable (the sick, the elderly, the sick elderly) are quarantined, the rest of us move on.

Never gonna end wrote:

Wearing a mask everywhere you go, even outdoors? Closing schools? Cancelling all in-person events? Cancelling races? Treating your fellow humans like they are walking radioactive waste? None of that is reasonable.

Wearing a mask outdoor is unnecessary unless you come in close contact with others. (I don't wear a mask when I run. I don't come within six feet of anyone, and if it ever happens, it won't last for more than a few seconds.) Schools can remain open if students can follow social distance protocols. We need to avoid large indoor gatherings, but outdoor gatherings with enough spacing are okay. And there are some races,not virtual ones, but real races.

Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:

Never gonna end wrote:

Define "reasonable." That's the issue here.

I have stopped vacation travels and indoor restaurant dining. That's small price to pay.

I also cannot run any races, but that's okay since I am recovering from injury. I can build a bigger base by the time racing returns.

Remember when we stopped college students from going to school when swine flu was circulating which was terrible for people in that age group. Oh wait, we didn't do anything because it wasnt a risk to the people making the decisions. Now we shutdown colleges because COVID is a risk to elderly staff but no risk to everyone else. Virus that is risk to 95% of college campus? Let er rip. Virus a risk to 5% learn from home and no college sports!!!!!

There were vaccine candidates for SARS that showed promise in pre-clinical studies. Dr. Peter Hotez, the guy who is on TV all the time, made big strides on a SARS vaccine, but the funding dried up when SARS went away. Dr. Hotez is back at it working on a COVID 19 vaccine and has one moving into trials in India. Prior to SARS, no one was working on coronavirus vaccines. Most of the work was on therapeutics, which was futile and why we have the expression "there is no cure for the common cold."

The current work on vaccines is unprecedented. 23 are in development with 9 already in phase 3 trials. These are not just old school vaccines using deactivated virus to stimulate immune response. There are mRNA vaccines and vaccines that are using adenovirus and stomatitis to delivery DNA. The big break through would be a T cell response that has good memory. People exposed to SARS had T cell memory up to 12 years later.

Precious Roy wrote:

Look, it's our resident Gates Foundation Payroll Troll spewing his daily disinformation...yawn.

Never gonna end wrote:

Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:

Are we going to eradicate Covid like we eradicated smallpox? No.

Does that mean vaccine is useless? No.

Does that mean taking some precaution until vaccine becomes available is meaningless? No.

It is all about risk management. I want to minimize my risk at reasonable cost.

Define "reasonable." That's the issue here.

On that note, define the risk. So far it seems the real risk of this virus is minimal and eans the required precautions should be too.

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Wearing a mask outdoor is unnecessary unless you come in close contact with others. /quote]

Cool, can you tell that to all the psychotic Karens on my local routes? B*tches are ANGRY if you don't have a mask on.

Covidiocy wrote:

A vaccine is a pipe dream and an annual rite of passage now... much better to treat with convalescent plasma therapy. Also, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure as they say. Fisky is on to something with vitamin D. Also, exercise, fresh air, and zinc.

The bottom line is that we can't protect everyone forever until we come up with some unicorn of a vaccine, the deleterious effects of which won't be known for years or decades. The elderly and the immunocompromised need extra protection, sure, and the obese need to start getting into shape. They are already a drain on the medical system and one of the primary reasons why universal healthcare cannot work in the US.

Just posting to point out how badly this comment has aged in less than 3 months. But people have been saying since spring that an effective vaccine was like, totally impossible. Now in November we already have 3 vaccines that have had good results in phase 3 trials and are heading toward emergency use authorizations soon. A whole herd of unicorns has arrived.

So keep that mask on in public, stay out of crowds and indoor spaces, maintain distance, avoid holiday gatherings, and keep grandma alive. The end is in sight.

I have a family member dealing with it, and she will be lucky to survive. This stuff is very very real.

She is overweight, and has asthma, the only thing she has going for her is that she isn't very old. She has two kids, a husband... this stuff hits home. This aint just "wear a mask" and things will be fine.