Stewart McSweyn 95 AUS 13:09.83 LR SB
2 Matthew Ramsden 97 AUS 13:16.63 PB
3 Suldan Hassan 98 Ullevi FK 13:18.01 PB
4 Jonas Raess 94 SUI 13:20.08 PB
5 Ryan Gregson 90 AUS 13:25.06 PB
6 Hugo Hay 97 FRA 13:27.47 PB
7 Emil Millán de la Oliva 01 Eskilstuna FI 13:29.59 PB
8 Matt Hughes 89 CAN 13:30.65
9 Jonny Davies 94 GBR 13:31.24
10 Julien Wanders 96 SUI 13:34.88 SB
11 Simon Debognies 96 BEL 13:36.68 PB
12 Maximilian Thorwirth 95 GER 13:37.33
13 Emil Danielsson 97 Spårvägens FK 13:47.65 PB
14 Samuel Tsegay 88 Hälle IF 13:49.73 SB
15 David Nilsson 87 Högby IF 13:52.61
16 Daniel Lundgren 85 Turebergs FK 13:57.21
17 Vidar Johansson 96 Sävedalens AIK 13:58.05 PB
18 Jonatan Fridolfsson 92 Sävedalens AIK 13:58.47 PB
19 Mikael Ekvall 89 Strömstad LK 14:00.61 SB
20 Omar Nuur 01 IFK Växjö 14:45.68
John Foitzik 91 Spårvägens FK DNF
Hampus Börjesson 94 Ullevi FK DNF PACE 3
Mohammad Reza 89 Spårvägens FK DNF
Arvid Öhrn 94 Hälle IF DNF PACE 1
Adam Czerwinski 88 POL
Julien Wanders, 25 seconds behind McSweyn in Sweden
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Julian improved on his run from Monaco by 14 seconds but he was well behind McSweyn in this race. I am sure he is very fit but he is not at the top of his game on the track or at least not for now maybe he has a plan for September or October?
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Overtraining?
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Ghost1 wrote:
Julian improved on his run from Monaco by 14 seconds but he was well behind McSweyn in this race. I am sure he is very fit but he is not at the top of his game on the track or at least not for now maybe he has a plan for September or October?
His coach is no good. Doesn't know elementary things about need for proper recovery.
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This race would've been so good for American guys like Fischer, McGorty, Klecker. A shame. Fewer chances taken by the young lions these days. Bob Kennedy would've been over there and in the mix.
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Wisdom and experience wrote:
Ghost1 wrote:
Julian improved on his run from Monaco by 14 seconds but he was well behind McSweyn in this race. I am sure he is very fit but he is not at the top of his game on the track or at least not for now maybe he has a plan for September or October?
His coach is no good. Doesn't know elementary things about need for proper recovery.
Too hard too often at training .
I think he will bounce back in the autumn on the roads. It just seems he cannot get it right for the track and you are right that he appears to be over trained. Even the Kenyans in Iten consider him to be the hardest working athlete second to none. Verdict - overtrained. -
With a 13:13 5K PR last year.
His last 2 5K are quite deceiving indeed. Especially as he stated that it was one of his goals to achieve sub 13 min 5K. Now he seems far from it.
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Sub-13. That is laughable. Don't you all remember this clown getting lapped in a recent televised 5000? There are guys in this very race, finishing in front of him, who are ignored. And they should be! No threads about them. Why someone who could possibly be competitive in NAIA is a topic is beyond me.
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Maybe because he ran a 59:13 half and 27:13 10K on the roads, both Euro records, which are equivalent to 12:55 and 13:03 according to Daniels' calculator...
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Wanders has incredible road credentials but his track workout before Monaco suggested that he could run sub 13, so it seems that he peaked early or cooked himself in the race. Something is wrong. He should not be running 13:34.
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free shipping with purchase wrote:
This race would've been so good for American guys like Fischer, McGorty, Klecker. A shame. Fewer chances taken by the young lions these days. Bob Kennedy would've been over there and in the mix.
There's something going on called a global pandemic.
Also, Wanders will be just fine. Not every race needs to be a home run. He's still a sub-1 hr half marathoner. Hopefully he gets back there once things get normal again. -
Good luck in getting thoses guys to race in Europe. Easier to stay in U.S. close to home.
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Eh. I figure he will be better over half marathon and eventually the marathon.
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MadeInFrance wrote:
Maybe because he ran a 59:13 half and 27:13 10K on the roads, both Euro records, which are equivalent to 12:55 and 13:03 according to Daniels' calculator...
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Watching Julian on strava, When you see his easy runs are 20k at 3'42 pace, there's no doubt this guy is overtraining.
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EdwardCurrie_Nz wrote:
Watching Julian on strava, When you see his easy runs are 20k at 3'42 pace, there's no doubt this guy is overtraining.
Someone alluded to the fact that his coach, Swiss man, may be responsible for wander’s present dilemma in not running to his potential on the track.
I think you’re right about his easy runs sometimes being run too fast because 342 pace is sub six minute mile and altitude. However, this type of training has brought him success in road racers up to the half marathon and it appears that is where his future lies. Jimmy Gressier, his French friend, is of a similar age but his training method is different. Perhaps he could learn a thing or two about Gressier’s training method especially for the track which has shown him run 337 this year for 1500. I think both athletes have similar potential for the future, with Jimmy being more nippy on the track, and Wanders having a greater potential long-term on the roads, one feels.
It is true that Julian must be very disappointed with his track showings this summer, but he shows very good philosophical restraint on his Instagram posts so one feels that he may still show something before the track season is over which is coming fast. -
McSweyn looks like Galen Rupp. He's a genetic modification I think, probably will be better.
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According to his Strava the day before Monaco 5000 he ran a 30:30/10K on the treadmill (who knows why). There's also a series about him on YouTube where he says he doesnt like his easy runs being slower than 3:45/k...
He's massively overtrained and his road performances show it too. He has some great races but very often will have a shocker. I also think there's an issue with lack of familiarity with track racing: some people just fair better on the roads and he seems more suited to it. I also get that some people are better suited to longer races but running a 59:13 but only a 3:39 (both 2019) is way out.
I really like the kid, but he strikes me as someone who found out he was talented early on and is doing a bit too much his own way, with a long standing coach who wont put his foot down. It's a shame because ultimately we'll only ever wonder what he could have truly achieved if he recovered properly more often.
To Julien: If Eliud can do easy runs at 5:00/k, so can you. -
EdwardCurrie_Nz wrote:
Watching Julian on strava, When you see his easy runs are 20k at 3'42 pace, there's no doubt this guy is overtraining.
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workhardRECOVERHARD wrote:
According to his Strava the day before Monaco 5000 he ran a 30:30/10K on the treadmill (who knows why). There's also a series about him on YouTube where he says he doesnt like his easy runs being slower than 3:45/k...
According to strava he in fact did 8.7k in 4:25/k (so really easy for him)+6x100 the day before Monaco, but a treadmill 10k in 30:50 the day after Monaco, probably out of frustration.
