Recent results form Australia's Matthew Ramsden: 4:55 2000m with a 53 final lap, 13:16 5km.

He seems to be another Craig Mottram. He already looks as if he is going to be better than Galen Rupp at 5000m. That 2000m is something Galen could only have dreamt of doing at age 23.

How is Patrick Tiernan doing these days? He was very promising a few years ago.

bengel wrote:

How is Patrick Tiernan doing these days? He was very promising a few years ago.

I hate to break the news to you, but Tiernan has joined the OTC to be coached by Rowland.

A lot of depth in Australia at the moment, McSweyn, McDonald, McNeill just edged out Tiernan and McEntee at Comm Games trial, since then a lot of moving pieces and questionable choices by the athletes.

I'm predicting the 5,000m team for Tokyo to be McSweyn, Ramsden, Gregson.

is that bad?

Heres Jonny wrote:

He seems to be another Craig Mottram. He already looks as if he is going to be better than Galen Rupp at 5000m. That 2000m is something Galen could only have dreamt of doing at age 23.

If you‘d said this about McSweyn, sure, but seems premature for Ramsden.

Mighty Vegemite wrote:

I'm predicting the 5,000m team for Tokyo to be McSweyn, Ramsden, Gregson.

I think Ramsden will opt for the 1500. I’ll say McSweyn, McDonald & Tiernan at 5k/McSweyn, Hoare & Ramsden at 1500–but McSweyn might not opt to try the double, opening the door for Luke Matthews at 1500 or Gregson at either distance.

Why would anyone on earth try and compare Ramsden to Galen Rupp, a 2-time Olympic medalist? Let this Ramsden kid continue to develop and race. Rupp was a sub-3:50 Miler, a sub-13:00 5000m, and sub-26:45 10,000m runner. McSweyn is the one that looks like the real deal.

Come on. This Ramsden needs to become consistent. We've had so many of his type over the years - Butchart, Tiernan, Gressier (still improving), Scott, Farrell, Collis Birmingham, St. Lawrence...

Corin wrote:

Why would anyone on earth try and compare Ramsden to Galen Rupp, a 2-time Olympic medalist? Let this Ramsden kid continue to develop and race. Rupp was a sub-3:50 Miler, a sub-13:00 5000m, and sub-26:45 10,000m runner. McSweyn is the one that looks like the real deal.

Come on. This Ramsden needs to become consistent. We've had so many of his type over the years - Butchart, Tiernan, Gressier (still improving), Scott, Farrell, Collis Birmingham, St. Lawrence...

To be fair, Ramsden is probably better than Rupp was at 23 at anything under 10k. Rupp was still at Oregon when he was 23. I certainly don't see him running 26:44 in the future but he'll definitely at least be a better 1500m runner than Rupp ever was.

I disagree, PrZ. Rupp was an NCAA Cross Country Division I Champion. There is nothing comparable outside of World XC in terms of depth and talent. Most NCAA XC Champions have faster 5000m PBs by 23 than Ramsden.

Ramsden placed 6th in the 1500m at the U20 World Championships. For context, Rupp at 23 years of age placed 8th at the IAAF World Championships in the 10,000m and 5th at the World Indoor Championships over 3000m.

Ramsden (23)

1:49.28

3:35.85

7:45.68

13:16.63

Rupp (23)

1:50.00

3:39.14

7:42.20

13:14.21

27:10.74

Ramsden did a solid job pacing JK in Monaco the other day

Ramsden has been training and racing as part of a professional group for the past 3 or so years, so the comparison to someone like Rupp who attended college and raced all three NCAA seasons isn't really fair. Yes, Ramsden is in university but it's online and he can travel to Europe every year, race on the pro circuit and go to altitude camps.

Corin wrote:

Why would anyone on earth try and compare Ramsden to Galen Rupp, a 2-time Olympic medalist? Let this Ramsden kid continue to develop and race. Rupp was a sub-3:50 Miler, a sub-13:00 5000m, and sub-26:45 10,000m runner. McSweyn is the one that looks like the real deal.

Come on. This Ramsden needs to become consistent. We've had so many of his type over the years - Butchart, Tiernan, Gressier (still improving), Scott, Farrell, Collis Birmingham, St. Lawrence...

So tired of this ignorance. Galen was NOT a sub 3:50 miler. Please STOP lying. Galen broke 13 once in over a dozen attempts. Ramsden already looks to be a better talent than Galen at 5000m and below.

rupp had a window for a sub 350.

you know these things from training.

sub 13 5k pretty much means 350 mile.

https://www.runnersworld.com/races-places/a20828773/galen-rupp-to-target-indoor-mile-world-record/

lamback wrote:

rupp had a window for a sub 350.

you know these things from training.

sub 13 5k pretty much means 350 mile.

https://www.runnersworld.com/races-places/a20828773/galen-rupp-to-target-indoor-mile-world-record/

Good to see you are still full of it Ventolin. Don’t be a stranger.

But either way you are wrong Ventolin. Kenenisa and Joshua C can/could barely break 3:50 so please do not tell me that a 12:59 runner is guaranteed to do it. As you like to say....drivel.

Corin wrote:

I disagree, PrZ. Rupp was an NCAA Cross Country Division I Champion. There is nothing comparable outside of World XC in terms of depth and talent. Most NCAA XC Champions have faster 5000m PBs by 23 than Ramsden.

That's true, but I was strictly referring to track and not necessarily cross country. That's a different conversation. I think Ramsden's 4:55 2k with such a fast close is worth a 13:0x 5k in a better paced race. He ran a lot of that 13:16 by himself. I wouldn't be surprised if he ran 3:33 for 1500/sub 7:40 for 3k this season. Not that it really matters, but Rupp's 5k PR at 23 was 13:18 (he did run 13:14 indoors a few months before turning 24 though but Ramsden just turned 23 last month). BUT that being said they're totally different athletes; Ramsden being more of a miler and Rupp at that age being more of a 10k guy.

Heres Jonny wrote:

But either way you are wrong Ventolin. Kenenisa and Joshua C can/could barely break 3:50 so please do not tell me that a 12:59 runner is guaranteed to do it. As you like to say....drivel.

KB ran 3:32 for 1500m

beginning of the end wrote:

Heres Jonny wrote:

But either way you are wrong Ventolin. Kenenisa and Joshua C can/could barely break 3:50 so please do not tell me that a 12:59 runner is guaranteed to do it. As you like to say....drivel.

KB ran 3:32 for 1500m

Which equates to a 3:50.56 and he broke 13 by 23 seconds. JC is 25 seconds under and I think he would be right at 3:50 as well. Saying 12:59 is equivalent to 3:50 is hard. The 1500m to 5k is a big jump. This would probably be to a balanced 1500-5k guy, this wouldn't apply to a speed based 1500m runner or a strength based 5k runner. Mo Ahmed ran 12:47, and ran 3:34, before this year it was 3:41 and he ran a decent bit of 1500m's. Ramsden seems like he has more potential at 1500m. I could see him running 3:50 well before 12:59.