Sweden attains herd immunity?

70% is not needed for herd immunity.

It is generally accepted amon scientists that 70% is needed.

By end of april the hotspot of Sweden, Stockholm, just 7.3% of the population had antibodies. As the country followed the neighbouring countries advices and more or less shut down, one might guess 11 % now, and 4 % for the country as such.

They have had 10 times the number of deaths / capita compared to their closest neighbours, Finland and Norway, they have nothing near herd immunity, they have been stupid as hell and only Tegnell and republican americans believe they have done a good job.

nobody could screw up the way we have dealt with covid-19. we are brain dead . it is profit over life. sweden made mistakes and admitted them. we made mistakes one after the other and lied about them.

SprintTriathlon wrote:

It is generally accepted amon scientists that 70% is needed.

By end of april the hotspot of Sweden, Stockholm, just 7.3% of the population had antibodies. As the country followed the neighbouring countries advices and more or less shut down, one might guess 11 % now, and 4 % for the country as such.

They have had 10 times the number of deaths / capita compared to their closest neighbours, Finland and Norway, they have nothing near herd immunity, they have been stupid as hell and only Tegnell and republican americans believe they have done a good job.

It's like dealing with the flat earth society here. The antibody test has repeatedly been debunked as given an accurate percentage of the population infected. Sweden's T-Cell studies show that far more people have T-cell immunity than antibody tests reveal.

How else do you explain the steady downward trend in deaths? This has been an almost perfect trend for months. Swede's did not change their habits. The virus didn't go away. It absolutely is herd immunity.

Swedes are very divided on this. There has been a big drop in positive tests in mid July and August, but this coincides with a lot of them heading off to the countryside and archipelago and not being around for testing. Have you ever tried to arrange a business meeting with a Swede in August?

Swedish scientists claim 6-7% of people in Stockholm have the antivirus. Now, maybe 30% of all humans will turn out to be naturally immune, but we won't know that unless the world does big challenger trials or years pass.

And to some extent, the disease has run its course in the care homes, all over Europe.

There's been a huge drop in cases and deaths in the UK too. We're around 4 infections per day in every 100,000 people. Lockdown is long over but there are still rules and masks, and almost everyone is distancing, just like the Swedes always have been.

1 there is no consensus that they have herd immunity. There isn't enough data to support it. Parts of Sweden were few have been infected see similar trends as places like Stockholm

2 Sweden lost more money from the virus than the neighboring countries like Norway with their 256 deaths and strict rules.

SprintTriathlon wrote:

It is generally accepted amon scientists that 70% is needed.

By end of april the hotspot of Sweden, Stockholm, just 7.3% of the population had antibodies. As the country followed the neighbouring countries advices and more or less shut down, one might guess 11 % now, and 4 % for the country as such.

They have had 10 times the number of deaths / capita compared to their closest neighbours, Finland and Norway, they have nothing near herd immunity, they have been stupid as hell and only Tegnell and republican americans believe they have done a good job.

it is not. it is different for every disease and you do not need antibodies to be immune.

No.

It's really that simple... antibodies are showing less than 20% of people in Sweden have had covid. Nowhere close to herd immunity, this thread is a joke and a stunning display of ignorance.

SprintTriathlon wrote:

It is generally accepted amon scientists that 70% is needed.

Obviously it's not generally accepted since a study several months ago found only 1 in 5 infections even progress far enough for antibodies to form.

That means 20% effectively serves as 100%. 80% of the people have such high cellular immunity they don't need antibodies.

we be waiting for the viking blood to come to the fore,

and destroy the true enemy.

cowards and the makers of cowards, that spoil this paradigm, with nothing to offer, but fear and extinction.

Bad Wigins wrote:

SprintTriathlon wrote:

It is generally accepted amon scientists that 70% is needed.

Obviously it's not generally accepted since a study several months ago found only 1 in 5 infections even progress far enough for antibodies to form.

That means 20% effectively serves as 100%. 80% of the people have such high cellular immunity they don't need antibodies.

More hilariously bad interpretations from Mr. 2600!

SprintTriathlon wrote:

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

It's like dealing with the flat earth society here. The antibody test has repeatedly been debunked as given an accurate percentage of the population infected. Sweden's T-Cell studies show that far more people have T-cell immunity than antibody tests reveal.

How else do you explain the steady downward trend in deaths? This has been an almost perfect trend for months. Swede's did not change their habits. The virus didn't go away. It absolutely is herd immunity.

No.

This, anyone who can categorically claim something like this belies their ignorance. Immune system is very complicated - far more than a Fox News headline or ZeroHedge blog post can articulate

You didn't even bother looking at the data for Sweden. No deaths for awhile now.

I wonder if the rest of the world will actually have more deaths because we won't allow here immunity to happen. We still don't know if you can get reinfected or not. So if you keep the levels low, you might never eliminate covid and have a steady low stream of death for much longer, which could surpass Sweden when this is all said and done.

You're partly right. Sweden doesn't test much actually.

Renewed Marathoner wrote:

You didn't even bother looking at the data for Sweden. No deaths for awhile now.

No deaths as well as well as very few hospitalizations.

The fearmongering left is rooting against Sweden because they didn't lockdown and they don't wear masks. They have herd immunity through memory T cells where enough of their young people were exposed.

What these fearmongers need to do is quit picking on the Swedes and go criticize Spain. Here's a country that did a Wuhan-style lockdown treating their citizens like common criminals all in the name of stopping the spread. Now after they've reopened cases are exploding like there's no tomorrow! So bad they have to summon the military to carry out contact & tracing operations. Lol.

Jomsvikings wrote:

Renewed Marathoner wrote:

You didn't even bother looking at the data for Sweden. No deaths for awhile now.

No deaths as well as well as very few hospitalizations.

The fearmongering left is rooting against Sweden because they didn't lockdown and they don't wear masks. They have herd immunity through memory T cells where enough of their young people were exposed.

What these fearmongers need to do is quit picking on the Swedes and go criticize Spain. Here's a country that did a Wuhan-style lockdown treating their citizens like common criminals all in the name of stopping the spread. Now after they've reopened cases are exploding like there's no tomorrow! So bad they have to summon the military to carry out contact & tracing operations. Lol.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/with-81-000-infections-in-14-days-spain-brings-in-army/1952981

Exactly this. Many want Sweden to fail to justify their stupid reactions to COVID, like destroying their economies, causing massive suicide and drug use, and preventing their children to have a good education.

Sweden has been averaging ONE DEATH per day for the past two weeks, in a country of 10 million. All minimal changes to normal life and no masks.

New Zealand on the other hand, while they had thought they had "defeated COVID-19" are now on another country wide shutdown over a few cases. And this will continue for months or years to come until they can reach herd immunity or gain access to an effective vaccine.

[quote]FinnJ wrote:

1 there is no consensus that they have herd immunity. There isn't enough data to support it.

Well, except for the fact that the number of daily deaths attributed to Covid in Sweden, a nation with 10 million plus people, has not cracked double figures in six weeks (after peaking at over 100) and has not exceeded 5 for the entire month of August (with most days being zero or one).

Don't know how that data is not definitive.