He is still only 19, and 3:28 1500m is not that far off pace wise from 3:43 mile. Personally, I think he will have the potential to get eventually, but I think it is more of a matter if he even wants to attempt it. Thoughts?
He is still only 19, and 3:28 1500m is not that far off pace wise from 3:43 mile. Personally, I think he will have the potential to get eventually, but I think it is more of a matter if he even wants to attempt it. Thoughts?
El Guerrouj went through 1500m at 3:28.21 during his mile WR, so I'd say he's almost there. It's also probably one of his best shots at getting a world record at any distance, so hopefully he takes a legit shot at it.
Not many mile races.
Maybe he can go for it in Belgium with Alan Webb pacing the first 800?
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El Guerrouj went through 1500m at 3:28.21 during his mile WR, so I'd say he's almost there. It's also probably one of his best shots at getting a world record at any distance, so hopefully he takes a legit shot at it.
You can't simply add a mile time to a runner's fastest 1500 time. If Ingebrigtsen can't get near 3.26 for the 1500 there's no way he beats 3.43 for the mile. There's a reason these records have stood for so long. They are tough.
He's going to do it!!!!!!
casualrunner wrote:
He is still only 19, and 3:28 1500m is not that far off pace wise from 3:43 mile. Personally, I think he will have the potential to get eventually, but I think it is more of a matter if he even wants to attempt it. Thoughts?
His 3:28.68 equates (Purdy) to a 3:46.13 mile, exactly 3 seconds away from El G's 3:43.13.
He could get the European record, but it is premature to talk about a world record.
throwback. wrote:
Not many mile races.
Maybe he can go for it in Belgium with Alan Webb pacing the first 800?
Or maybe the Oslo Dream Mile where he can have a crack at it in front of a screaming home crowd every year for the next decade.
He is going to break every world record from the 1500m to the Half Marathon.
No!
You people need to slow down.
One reason he is so good is that he started so early due to him being the little brother of Henrik and then Filip. I think Filip is 7-8 years older. He has trained exceptional for his age for a long time, but always been a talent. So his capacity is very well developed despite his young age. Still, the human body tend to peak at around 23 for strength and speed, but for endurance it can be built and maintained much longer than this. He should still have something to improve. I am impressed by Jakob's speed and he is quick on short distances too. I guess it is a question of even more solid endurance and a more perfect race and then he can be there. Of course an even more mature race head will help too.
The Monaco race with mad running in front could not have been optimal for him..
I think he can take the world record some day with a perfect opportunity.
rekrunner wrote:
casualrunner wrote:
He is still only 19, and 3:28 1500m is not that far off pace wise from 3:43 mile. Personally, I think he will have the potential to get eventually, but I think it is more of a matter if he even wants to attempt it. Thoughts?
His 3:28.68 equates (Purdy) to a 3:46.13 mile, exactly 3 seconds away from El G's 3:43.13.
He could get the European record, but it is premature to talk about a world record.
Mile split has the 3:28.68 converted to a 3:45.37. I think he's closer to that. He's 2.5 seconds away from the 1500 WR and 2 seconds from the less often run mile.
He’s got a chance. Spikes and tracks are improving and he’s young and progressing. I’d say him and Cheruioyot are legit prospects. The wavelight tech could also aid a WR. Both could run 3:45 right now and I’d suspect a 3:44 is in Tim’s wheelhouse as well. The two of them are the best 1-2 at the event since Ngeny/El G or Morceli/El G. That helps aid a record hunt as well. In the Kiprop years he wasn’t pushed, so he only went for a super-fast time sparingly. With these two, we could see a couple very fast marks each year.
rekrunner wrote:
"His 3:28.68 equates (Purdy) to a 3:46.13 mile, exactly 3 seconds away from El G's 3:43.13.
He could get the European record, but it is premature to talk about a world record."
converter wrote:
"Mile split has the 3:28.68 converted to a 3:45.37. I think he's closer to that. He's 2.5 seconds away from the 1500 WR and 2 seconds from the less often run mile. "
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Agree completely with you converter:
It is 3:28.68 x 1.08= 3:45.37. I think this is the agreed way to convert.
I think both Timothy and Jakob are close to the 1500m WR. They "only" need perfect pacing and a fast track. I am not sure that Stockholm´s track is as fast as Monaco´s. So they might wait one more year.
And if Timothy and Jakob can come close to the 1500m WR they can also break the mile WR (under the same good conditions).
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
The two of them are the best 1-2 at the event since Ngeny/El G or Morceli/El G.
El G/Lagat was way better.
Also we could throw Asbel Kiprop (3:26) and Silas Kiplagat (3:27) in there. But that seems wrong.
Crazy that Tim and Jakob are 7-8 on the all-time list already though.
birdbeard wrote:
Also we could throw Asbel Kiprop (3:26) and Silas Kiplagat (3:27) in there. But that seems wrong.
Crazy that Tim and Jakob are 7-8 on the all-time list already though.
Only if you think the sport is clean. And why would anyone now think that?
birdbeard wrote:
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
The two of them are the best 1-2 at the event since Ngeny/El G or Morceli/El G.
El G/Lagat was way better.
You are correct! Figured I'd missed one. They traded some very fast 1500s in the early 2000s. The drought of two elite talents on their game at the same time I believe stagnated the record. I don't think Silas Kiplagat had enough of a run to really push Kiprop consistently.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
birdbeard wrote:
El G/Lagat was way better.
You are correct! Figured I'd missed one. They traded some very fast 1500s in the early 2000s. The drought of two elite talents on their game at the same time I believe stagnated the record. I don't think Silas Kiplagat had enough of a run to really push Kiprop consistently.
??? Kiplagat beat Kiprop more than Jakob has beaten Tim.
quehoares wrote:
You are correct! Figured I'd missed one. They traded some very fast 1500s in the early 2000s. The drought of two elite talents on their game at the same time I believe stagnated the record. I don't think Silas Kiplagat had enough of a run to really push Kiprop consistently.
??? Kiplagat beat Kiprop more than Jakob has beaten Tim.[/quote]
Yeah I'm projecting Jakob to be on Tim's heels from now on. Kiplagat had one race under 3:29 in his entire career. If this is it for Jakob that would be disappointing, and very surprising.
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