The Obesification of the U.S.

PrZ wrote:

Not to sound like a dick, but also to kind of sound like a dick since nobody knows who I really am and the fact that I'm a distance runner in my 20s, I can't imagine being obese. Or even remotely overweight for that matter. How do people live like that?? The idea of not being able to run much or just sitting around all the time eating disgusting junk food and drinking soda literally seems foreign to me. And to struggle with basic semi athletic activities seems just unimaginable. Oof. This country is so fat.

Most people don't stay active in sports after HS. Hell most people aren't even active in sports in HS.

People are ok with it or accept their situation. Many would like to lose a few pounds but don't have the motivation to do so. Also being overweight isn't something that happens overnight. It's usually something you don't notice until you have to start buying new clothes.

Alan

I see a lot of fat couples. Are fat people attracted to each other for some strange reason and end up together because they are alike sort of the way that people of the same race or ethnicity sometimes seem to gravitate toward each other or are they just settling for other fat people because its the best they can do?

I'm not talking about couples who became fat after they met. I'm talking about couples that formed when both were already fat. I see a lot of younger fat people together and just wonder if they actually like each other or if they're as repulsed by each other as everyone else is but just decide to suck it up.

What you sound like is an undereducated neophyte who needs college and probably some grammatical refreshers...

But I digress...

When you reach these beacons in life...

...stress about a loved one

...stress about losing a home

...stress about a family member

...a sudden death in the family

...a job that requires 60 hours per week

...a hormonal imbalance

...caring for a loved one or family member

Removing all junk food and soda, as well, unless you have encountered any of these situations, all of which result in some sort of lethargy, you'd be best to just shut up.

No. No no.

Really.

Best to shut up.

alvin wrote:

I see a lot of fat couples. Are fat people attracted to each other for some strange reason and end up together because they are alike sort of the way that people of the same race or ethnicity sometimes seem to gravitate toward each other or are they just settling for other fat people because its the best they can do?

I'm not talking about couples who became fat after they met. I'm talking about couples that formed when both were already fat. I see a lot of younger fat people together and just wonder if they actually like each other or if they're as repulsed by each other as everyone else is but just decide to suck it up.

Most people have somewhat realistic views of their value on their dating market and prefer dating someone to nobody. Some people (See Jamin) have delusional views of their value and end up complaining about how they can't get dates since they are looking at people well out of their league.

I usually stay out of these threads because I’m a genetic freak. I eat sugar, junk, meat, whatever. My diet is not good. I do exercise but even when I didn’t, I was maybe 5 lbs heavier. My BMI has always been under 21. I don’t eat large portions and I know that is a key component, but I always eat as much as I “want”.

I wonder if some people’s hormones are messed up so the “you’re full, stop eating switch” doesn’t flip on? Most people eat too large of portions and are just too sedentary. It’s not a mystery.

Friendly reminder to YMMV:

Only vegans have a normal BMI on average.

Icouldbeyourmom wrote:

I usually stay out of these threads because I’m a genetic freak. I eat sugar, junk, meat, whatever. My diet is not good. I do exercise but even when I didn’t, I was maybe 5 lbs heavier. My BMI has always been under 21. I don’t eat large portions and I know that is a key component, but I always eat as much as I “want”.

I wonder if some people’s hormones are messed up so the “you’re full, stop eating switch” doesn’t flip on? Most people eat too large of portions and are just too sedentary. It’s not a mystery.

How old are you?

jonathon wrote:

Friendly reminder to YMMV:

Only vegans have a normal BMI on average.

Nope. Full carnivores too. The difference is vegans are skinnyfat, whereas carnivores have more optimized muscle mass. And don't have all that disgusting methane emission from their fiber-stuffed bowels.

YMMV wrote:

jonathon wrote:

Friendly reminder to YMMV:

Only vegans have a normal BMI on average.

Nope. Full carnivores too. The difference is vegans are skinnyfat, whereas carnivores have more optimized muscle mass. And don't have all that disgusting methane emission from their fiber-stuffed bowels.

"Meat eaters" are heavier than people who don't eat meat. You don't even have to be vegan. Vegetarians, lacto-ovo vegetarians, and pescotarians are lighter than people who eat all kinds of animal products.

I'm not saying that's "why" people are fat, but it's definitely true that the fattest segment in society doesn't restrict meat at all!

You can never blame the person that keeps stuffing their pie hole. -. Only their mother

jonathon wrote:

YMMV wrote:

Nope. Full carnivores too. The difference is vegans are skinnyfat, whereas carnivores have more optimized muscle mass. And don't have all that disgusting methane emission from their fiber-stuffed bowels.

"Meat eaters" are heavier than people who don't eat meat. You don't even have to be vegan. Vegetarians, lacto-ovo vegetarians, and pescotarians are lighter than people who eat all kinds of animal products.

I'm not saying that's "why" people are fat, but it's definitely true that the fattest segment in society doesn't restrict meat at all!

https://www.nature.com/articles/0802300#:~:text=Differences%20in%20BMI%20between%20the%20diet%20groups&text=Table%202%20shows%20mean%20age,kg%2Fm2%20in%20women

You clearly have no clue what the term "full carnivore" means...99-100% animal-sourced food, no or little plant material at all. Zero carb. It is almost impossible to get or remain obese on this diet.

Like so many studies, the brainiacs have some data , but they just aren''t very wise at making conclusions. . Sure, lots of fat people eat big macs fries and supersized coke and it goes down from there , Donuts are breakfast etc. Don't blame meat.

More vegans are anorexic than meat eaters. Vegetables cause anorexia.

YMMV wrote:

jonathon wrote:

"Meat eaters" are heavier than people who don't eat meat. You don't even have to be vegan. Vegetarians, lacto-ovo vegetarians, and pescotarians are lighter than people who eat all kinds of animal products.

I'm not saying that's "why" people are fat, but it's definitely true that the fattest segment in society doesn't restrict meat at all!

https://www.nature.com/articles/0802300#:~:text=Differences%20in%20BMI%20between%20the%20diet%20groups&text=Table%202%20shows%20mean%20age,kg%2Fm2%20in%20women

You clearly have no clue what the term "full carnivore" means...99-100% animal-sourced food, no or little plant material at all. Zero carb. It is almost impossible to get or remain obese on this diet.

You also can't get obese if you do enough cocaine every day. Doesn't mean it's healthy.

YMMV wrote:

You clearly have no clue what the term "full carnivore" means...99-100% animal-sourced food, no or little plant material at all. Zero carb. It is almost impossible to get or remain obese on this diet.

You only ever respond to data with rhetoric. I've never seen data from you

I have posted more studies and information than any other poster on this site. People ignore them because they are locked into their little boxes of something they (wrongly) think they are experts in: ways of eating. The only thing that actually gets engagement is what you call rhetoric. To that extent I consider it a compliment.

That said, there are NO studies of pure vegan OR pure carnivore, it is all "anecdotal" (though funding for a carnivore study is underway). In this respect the situation resembles running coaching runners under different protocols, 100% empirically based. That is why I tend to dismiss anyone who comments on either vegan or carnivore without having at least tried either. You want to be led in battle by the battle-scarred sergeant, not the wet-behind-the-ears lieutenant that has only ridden a desk and shuffled papers.