Cheptegei 5000m and Kipchoge Marathon WRs Left Me Feeling INDIFFERENT

Hiyero wrote:

It is a feeling of whatever. I think it is difficult to think that these records are anything but the byproduct of improved science, meaning running surfaces, shoe technology and PED chemical cocktails. I say WHATEVER. Anyone else? I can still somewhat enjoy it but not so much.

Think Jim Ryun... running on F***ing dirt in 1966 and 1967 : 3:33.1 and 3:51.1. at the age of 19/20yo and then get back to me.

Well it might be that my indifference stems from something about me...getting older or feeling that sports are trivial...however, I am not sure what your point about Jim Ryun is unless you’re insinuating that a runner jumping from 12:57 to 12:35 is simply to be expected even after several years of world class running due to the fact that Jim Ryun ran fast for the mile over 50 years ago.

Alex Jones Will Eat Your Leftist Azz wrote:

Hiyero wrote:

It is a feeling of whatever. I think it is difficult to think that these records are anything but the byproduct of improved science, meaning running surfaces, shoe technology and PED chemical cocktails. I say WHATEVER. Anyone else? I can still somewhat enjoy it but not so much.

Think Jim Ryun... running on F***ing dirt in 1966 and 1967 : 3:33.1 and 3:51.1. at the age of 19/20yo and then get back to me.

Dry, packed dirt is pretty good for running. It’s not like he ran those times on sand or mud or in a kiddie pool of petroleum jelly. Cheruiyot could have done this at age 20, and he didn’t stop improving. Jim Ryun is kinda old news.

Hiyero wrote:

It is a feeling of whatever. I think it is difficult to think that these records are anything but the byproduct of improved science, meaning running surfaces, shoe technology and PED chemical cocktails. I say WHATEVER. Anyone else? I can still somewhat enjoy it but not so much.

People had to go with shifts from Dirt Tracks to Cinder Tracks to various Synthetic Tracks, along with shifts in shoe technology, nutrition, and training theory that produced changes far greater than anything a single bouncy shoe could introduce.

Hiyero wrote:

Well it might be that my indifference stems from something about me...getting older or feeling that sports are trivial...however, I am not sure what your point about Jim Ryun is unless you’re insinuating that a runner jumping from 12:57 to 12:35 is simply to be expected even after several years of world class running due to the fact that Jim Ryun ran fast for the mile over 50 years ago.

His intended point was this: if you can’t appreciate the new WRs due to technological advancements, think of when a white guy could set a record without those advantages and be inspired. That was pretty obvious—but it’s obviously not doing it for ya.

Well I do not care whether the best runners are white or not. That does not concern me.

Hiyero wrote:

Well I do not care whether the best runners are white or not. That does not concern me.

Again, you’re struggling with reading comprehension.

I didn’t suggest that you’d care, but I’ll bet anything “Alex Jones will eat your leftist azz” does whether he’ll admit it outright or not.

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Hiyero wrote:

Well I do not care whether the best runners are white or not. That does not concern me.

Again, you’re struggling with reading comprehension.

I didn’t suggest that you’d care, but I’ll bet anything “Alex Jones will eat your leftist azz” does whether he’ll admit it outright or not.

I am not struggling with reading comprehension. IF you are interpreting him correctly, his response makes zero sense to anyone with any degree of intelligence.

Hiyero wrote:

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Again, you’re struggling with reading comprehension.

I didn’t suggest that you’d care, but I’ll bet anything “Alex Jones will eat your leftist azz” does whether he’ll admit it outright or not.

I am not struggling with reading comprehension.

“Agree to disagree.”

Well if you want to make the argument that you understand fools better than I do, well it is palpably clear why that might be Johnny.

Hiyero wrote:

Well if you want to make the argument that you understand fools better than I do, well it is palpably clear why that might be Johnny.

ACT SCORES AT DAWN

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Alex Jones Will Eat Your Leftist Azz wrote:

Think Jim Ryun... running on F***ing dirt in 1966 and 1967 : 3:33.1 and 3:51.1. at the age of 19/20yo and then get back to me.

Dry, packed dirt is pretty good for running. It’s not like he ran those times on sand or mud or in a kiddie pool of petroleum jelly. Cheruiyot could have done this at age 20, and he didn’t stop improving. Jim Ryun is kinda old news.

Maybe if you weren’t so thick you’d understand that the poster was pointing out 3:33.1 on dry packed dirt and 1967 adidas spikes isn’t at all as fast as the freak show we saw on Friday in Monaco. How about Cheptegei run on that surface, he’d have a hard time getting under 13:00.

Jzs wrote:

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Dry, packed dirt is pretty good for running. It’s not like he ran those times on sand or mud or in a kiddie pool of petroleum jelly. Cheruiyot could have done this at age 20, and he didn’t stop improving. Jim Ryun is kinda old news.

Maybe if you weren’t so thick you’d understand that the poster was pointing out 3:33.1 on dry packed dirt and 1967 adidas spikes isn’t at all as fast as the freak show we saw on Friday in Monaco. How about Cheptegei run on that surface, he’d have a hard time getting under 13:00.

I don’t think that’s what he was trying to say.

I suspect I’m a lot smarter than you.

You just aren't as big of a fan of the sport as you used to be, I'd say.

It comes and goes. Interests wax and wane.

Harambe wrote:

You just aren't as big of a fan of the sport as you used to be, I'd say.

It comes and goes. Interests wax and wane.

I think that is part of it. I guess I find the scientists competing to make everyone run faster as a separate sport which takes away from the values I have associated with athletics. I also am turned off by the record attempts which have no real competition. It is as if they become more robotic like.

I think when a wr is planned and set up with pacers and is kind of expected it’s cool but a bit meh. Unexpected wrs are what fans really enjoy.

Hiyero wrote:

It is a feeling of whatever. I think it is difficult to think that these records are anything but the byproduct of improved science, meaning running surfaces, shoe technology and PED chemical cocktails. I say WHATEVER. Anyone else? I can still somewhat enjoy it but not so much.

Believe it or not, I understand the indifference. First, let me say that I think running records are impressive, no matter the time,but....

In 1992, I had done my first ever Carlsbad 5000. i got to watch the elites afterwards. William Mutwol set a record in the elite race. By 2020, the winning time (record) has dropped only 13 seconds.

In middle distance, Abdi Bile's times have not been eclipsed much.

In marathons, Abebe Bikila's best time vs Eliud Kipchoge' best is 30 seconds per mile slower....only.

We saw human potential then.

McEnroe won with wooden racquets.

Blanda kicked through used footballs.

Ruth used old bats.

Several famous basketball players wore Converse...now among the heaviest shoes.

Spitz swam without special suits

It's the OG concept. The ones who broke the ground.

I get it.

We’re too late to this discussion. Track and field should have handled this problem decades ago and standardized the tracks, the equipment, etc. If we were ok with improvements back then this is just another step (albeit exaggerated) in that direction.

+1

Whenever I see these new staged events I feel like I'm watching a clown show in a circus and not an actual runner pushing themselves on there own natural ability. How can you be excited about it. 12:37 is still the WR to me and is much more exciting. If you look at a modern electric car it has so much technology in it that it can accelerate faster than most super cars. If you look at the records that were broken by things like a Lamborghini Muira or Ferrari Testarossa they had less enhancements in them then this website. Sure they can be beaten by a hot hatch or electric car on the track, but they will always be the greatest and way more exciting to see. Anyone with a brain would pick one of these classic titans over a modern boring(in comparison) thing we see on the roads these days. Bekele is the world's greatest runner. We don't even know if Joshua has been tested yet. There could be news that will give Bekele back is 12:37 just like Kiptum had to give Zersenay Tadese back the half mary