Out of Nowhere - A New HS Superstar Miler - Rheinhardt Harrison

go away run wrote:

I hope he is the next great American. But I understand the skepticism. He was racing 1/2 marathons at 10 years old. Ryun didn't even run until age 14 and Webb was swimming. And even Ryun and Webb did not have lengthy careers. The US freshmen record holder in the 1600 has barely run faster 8 years later. 1/2 of the sub 4 guys were not successful after. Let's hope this kid is more like the Ingebrigtsens.

Liquori is really the only guy who has gone sub 4 who seemed to have done so without compromising the rest of his career. Both Ryun and Webb has severe issues (even though Ryun was pretty successful). Grant Fisher and Drew Hunter seem like the only other two who might go on to do really well, although it’s hard to say for sure since they’re both still young

Most runners have short primes, it has nothing to do with whether or not they ran sub-4 in high school.

Kevin Sullivan ran 3:39 age 18 and had a solid career, as did Steve Cram, 3:57 age 17. Ovett was 1:47 age 17.

High School Records have always counted up thru August 31 for the class you just completed. Galen Rupp would not have the 5k HSR otherwise.

go away run wrote:Ryun didn't even run until age 14 and Webb was swimming.

Ryun started running at age 15 in tenth grade.

Not American. Africans, Brits, Norwegians, they all seem to have long careers when starting early. Americans do not.

Hardloper wrote:

Most runners have short primes, it has nothing to do with whether or not they ran sub-4 in high school.

I’m talking about American high schoolers...

Jim Ryun: successful but very short career

Tim Danielson: burned out

Marty Liquori: decently long and competitive career

Alan Webb: ran very fast and his best accomplishment is 8th in a world champ. Short competitive career.

Lukas Verzbicas: Car accident. No longer competes.

Matthew Maton: burned out real bad

Grant Fisher: currently a 3:36 guy, still developing hopefully

Drew Hunter: currently a 3:35 guy, still developing hopefully

Michael Slagowski: burned out real bad

Reed Brown: has lowered his mile time 2 seconds under one of the best middle distance coaches in the NCAA

Leo Daschbach: ???

So it’s not a very bright list.

Bower Man wrote:

Just happened a few minutes ago at the MCDC mile.

Rheinhardt Harrison, a just-completed hs soph from FL with a pr of 4:09, just ran a 4:01.34 to break Ed Cheserek's hs soph record by 2 seconds.

Who is this guy and how in the world could that have happened?

I don't really follow high school running anymore since my kids are no longer in high school, but even I had heard of this kid. Definitely not out of nowhere.

He was 31st returner. Usually focus on top 10-15. Most fans had not heard of him.

Cmon man you lost me as respectable when you listed LV as “car crash.” Do some research and get back to me when you learn he had a cycling accident. When you admit this, and that you were trying to be a clickbait loser, maybe I’ll give you your man card back. Thanks.

cmon man wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

Most runners have short primes, it has nothing to do with whether or not they ran sub-4 in high school.

I’m talking about American high schoolers...

Jim Ryun: successful but very short career

Tim Danielson: burned out

Marty Liquori: decently long and competitive career

Alan Webb: ran very fast and his best accomplishment is 8th in a world champ. Short competitive career.

Lukas Verzbicas: Car accident. No longer competes.

Matthew Maton: burned out real bad

Grant Fisher: currently a 3:36 guy, still developing hopefully

Drew Hunter: currently a 3:35 guy, still developing hopefully

Michael Slagowski: burned out real bad

Reed Brown: has lowered his mile time 2 seconds under one of the best middle distance coaches in the NCAA

Leo Daschbach: ???

So it’s not a very bright list.

cmon man wrote:

Jim Ryun: successful but very short career

Ryuns career was very short? It is basically impossible to make 3 olympic teams and have a short career. He retired at the same age that pretty much everyone else back then did.

But if you think the success rate of the sub 4 guys is bad, go look at the success rate of the 4:00-4:10 guys. make a list of how many of them have have careers as good as Ryun or Webb and then realize that you are looking at a pool of athletes that is 50x as big. The odds of anyone continuing to keep improving are really small.

I’m not saying if you break 4 you’ll burn out, but if you run 4 flat you’re good. I’m aware that plenty of low 4 high schoolers get screwed over too.

But realistically a sub 4 high schooler (assuming they’re are tactically sound racers) should be all American by their sophomore year in the NCAA and get a championship at some point and probably turn pro or hit the oly trials/world championships qualifying mark a couple years after college.

Yared Nugese is an example of a good progression. 4:06 high schooler. Two years into college he wins an NCAA 1500 and runs ridiculous times on the DMR. Also runs a 7:46 3k this past winter.

Same with someone like Joe Klecker. Low 4 guy who does great in college and goes pro

go away run wrote:

I hope he is the next great American. But I understand the skepticism. He was racing 1/2 marathons at 10 years old. Ryun didn't even run until age 14 and Webb was swimming. And even Ryun and Webb did not have lengthy careers. The US freshmen record holder in the 1600 has barely run faster 8 years later. 1/2 of the sub 4 guys were not successful after. Let's hope this kid is more like the Ingebrigtsens.

There was:

Ryun - Best miler in the world for a while, potential GOAT of US distance running

Tim Danielson - Murdered his wife

Liquori - Ended up running 3:52 and 8:17 (US Record)

Webb - AR mile holder now

Verzbicas - Got hit by a car or something while training, but looked on track to be good

Maton - Pretty sure he quit running

Fisher - Ran a fast 5k recently low 13s

Hunter - Qualified for world's last year in the 5k and ran 13:20s

Slagowski - I think he quit running his first year of college

Brown - Ran a 3:39 but I think that was really it

Daschbach - Just finished HS

So really only 5/10 ever did anything noteworthy (running wise). Verzbicas just got kinda unlucky though. I think Danielson got the most interesting ending.

Let me set the record straight. There was no car. LV lost control of his bike, like we all have at some point of our lives. Stop trying to lump him with Prefontaine -

https://www.denverpost.com/2012/09/04/lukas-verzbicas-out-of-colorado-hospital-eyes-elite-triathlon-return/

https://usatodayhss.com/2016/four-decades-of-honoring-the-future-lukas-verzbicas

FL 4A State XC champ last year. Plus a slew of other decent results

https://fl.milesplit.com/athletes/6485680

I remember him as a little kid in the Washington DC area.

2012 Won USATF XC national 7/8

2012 Won USATF JO 800 7/8

2014

9/10 he was 4th at USATF XC. Interestingly he ran 10:42 while a young lady named Roisin Willis ran 10:24 to win the girls section.

9/10 4th 1500m USATF JO 5:08

My mistake. I had thought he got hit by a car while he was on the bike. I should have been more specific by saying “getting hit by a car” but it’s a moot point because there was no car involved. But it is also a moot point that you seem to discredit me because of this. Either way, LV no longer competes.

The American high school sub-4 scene is not as promising as it should be nonetheless.

go away run wrote:

He was 31st returner. Usually focus on top 10-15. Most fans had not heard of him.

He was the fastest sophomore last year with a 4:08 1600. Also, he ran that 4:12 as a freshman. Had to be hiding not to have heard of him.

Sorry to disappoint you but most adult track fans pay attention to professionals and college running and the elite high school runners. Nobody except high school creepers know who the 31st returner is. It makes it even creepier to follow the younger kids.

Sapel wrote:

Let me set the record straight. There was no car. LV lost control of his bike, like we all have at some point of our lives. Stop trying to lump him with Prefontaine -

https://www.denverpost.com/2012/09/04/lukas-verzbicas-out-of-colorado-hospital-eyes-elite-triathlon-return/https://usatodayhss.com/2016/four-decades-of-honoring-the-future-lukas-verzbicas

That first article said he was trying to make a 180° turn while going 25 mph on a bicycle. I don't think that is possible on a road.