With all the allegations of athletes micro-dosing EPO...one thing I have not seen addressed is how these individuals are able to not red-flag their ABP. Anyone care to comment?
With all the allegations of athletes micro-dosing EPO...one thing I have not seen addressed is how these individuals are able to not red-flag their ABP. Anyone care to comment?
One of the ways to do it is to micro-dose before obtaining a passport so that the athlete has higher baseline levels of certain chemicals in their system, like testosterone for example, or haemoglobin, and then by further micro-dosing to increase those levels while at the same time keeping them within the accepted parameters of "natural" change. Big jumps and extremes are the giveaway, plus levels that are seen as being beyond what is naturally attainable. The key to doing it and maintaining "disguise" is micro-dosing. But one thing we know for sure is that athletes have worked out ways to beat the passport.
People should be able to micro-dose as much as they want.
Lenny Leonard wrote:
People should be able to micro-dose as much as they want.
People should be able to dose as much as they want.
Fixed.
Look at the athletes suspended due to their biological passport.
The most recent suspension was in 2015 until recently when Daniel Wanjiru was suspended.
So that is great! The athletes knew they would get caught so they stopped doping right?
Nah they just figures the test out, like every other test. Testing will always be playing catchup and people will always be doping.
oregon oldtimer wrote:
With all the allegations of athletes micro-dosing EPO...one thing I have not seen addressed is how these individuals are able to not red-flag their ABP. Anyone care to comment?
Train at high altitude -- it's like continuous micro-doping, while ABP legal.
One of the biggest problems with the passport is that they don't test people before they become relevant on the racing scene. This gives a nobody a chance to dope like mad and win a bunch of races in amazing times before the enter the testing pool. Then when they are tested, as someone else up thread mentioned, their baseline is already way above natural, but in the "normal" range by WADA standards. There is no way to fix this, as you can't guess which 17yo is going to come out of the woodwork and start destroying open fields in the next few years. The eyeball test seems accurate though as you don't expect someone to just pick up running and two years later be a world beater. Only peds can overcome the body's limits without years of adaptations.
Lenny Leonard wrote:
People should be able to micro-dose as much as they want.
Please explain, then, why banned substances are banned.
Scrawny Runner (not really) wrote:
Lenny Leonard wrote:
People should be able to micro-dose as much as they want.
Please explain, then, why banned substances are banned.
A subjective conceptualization of establishing a level playing field.
Because of the professionalization of sports, or the decision that athletes should earn an income for their participation in certain leagues (versus amateurism), the governing bodies of all the various sports decided that in the best interests of their sport that they needed to somehow establish a level playing field in which to judge performances. Since the idea of a level playing field is entirely subjective, there is naturally disagreement between governing board members, athletes, and spectators as to where the line for aided performance should be drawn.
This is not a condemnation, or approval, for the decisions of any governing boards, just information.
Just have a look at Ashenden's work. Or read up on Poistogova's case.
Long story short: the thresholds are so absurdly generous that you don't even need to micro-dose to stay below detection. Just half dose.
This guy shows how it’s done:
LoneStarXC wrote:
This guy shows how it’s done:
Yes - but by 2015, we all knew that already...
Fun tidbit:
This confirmed my fears that the passport had put a stop to the worst excesses of the Lance Armstrong era but was not sensitive enough to pick up a careful programme of micro-dosing. Lundby was even more alarmed that this had been discovered by a rank amateur.
"What is worrying to me as a scientist, what's new to me, is that an ordinary guy can look up some information on the internet, do some injections and get away with it," he said.
Again, 2015 - of course you can find that info on the internet.
In addition to casual's posts you might want to read this article. Even though it's viewed from a cycling perspective, how dopers navigate the ABP would apply to athletics:
https://www.cyclingnews.com/features/biological-passport-have-dopers-found-ways-to-beat-it/
Scrawny Runner (not really) wrote:
Lenny Leonard wrote:
People should be able to micro-dose as much as they want.
Please explain, then, why banned substances are banned.
They should not be banned.
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