THE NEW KING - New 5000m WR by Joshua Cheptegei !!! 12:35:37

JamesTheAmateur wrote:

joecrunner wrote:

World best for 4k too, last 4k was run in 10:02.62, I think his 4k enroute was also a world best at 10:04 and change lol. For 10 laps...

How is it a registered user doesn't know what "en route" means? You can only set another record en route if you clear the distance from the start to that marker on your way to the designated distance. So from 0 - 4000m is that part that would be measured. 1000 - 5000 is not a 4000 world best. It's an impressive bit of running, but not a record. Flying starts don't count, genius

He drew a clear distinction between the 4K en route and the last 4K. He also clearly knows it’s unofficial, that’s why he said “world best”. So, to use your own words...

‘How is it a registered user doesn’t know what “world best” means? World bests are unofficial, genius’

I look forward to the drug test results. It is amazing what a lockdown, pharmacy, clown shoes, laser lights and the bounciest track in the world will do. This doesn't count as a WR even if he was clean. If you gave Bekele all them advantages he would literally run 12:25. This is just like the Nike sub 2 or Ineos experiment. It is a staged event where Joshua is given all the technology possible to his advantage. Bekele had to do all the work himself on a harder track. We all know that anyone who runs in Monaco isn't capable of running as fast on any other track in the world

Incredible. I'll be analyzing this for a long time. I honestly think if Bekele had a pace light / rail like we saw in this race, he would've been able to get under 12:30 at some point. For Cheptegei, he would've needed just an increase in stride rate of just 1.4spm at his given supposed average stride length to get under 12:30. If the pace light is allowed for record purposes, we'll be seeing more records broken, including the 7:20 holy grail.

Portsea Cerutsea wrote:

JamesTheAmateur wrote:

How is it a registered user doesn't know what "en route" means? You can only set another record en route if you clear the distance from the start to that marker on your way to the designated distance. So from 0 - 4000m is that part that would be measured. 1000 - 5000 is not a 4000 world best. It's an impressive bit of running, but not a record. Flying starts don't count, genius

He drew a clear distinction between the 4K en route and the last 4K. He also clearly knows it’s unofficial, that’s why he said “world best”. So, to use your own words...

‘How is it a registered user doesn’t know what “world best” means? World bests are unofficial, genius’

??

Posts like that of the amateur are what drive me to drink.

If Jim was to specifically train for 5km for 12 months I believe he would get close to this WR, if not bettering it by maybe 4 or 5 seconds.

hallahung wrote:

Let's get real for a minute - if 12:37 Bekele was in this race you really think he wouldn't have won? I have zero doubt he would have won.

Bekele was just better, IMO.

You really think 12:39 Wouldnt have beaten 12:37 Bekele if he were in HIS world record? I mean how far are we going to take this? It's a different era, new WR, fun to watch. Cheptegei looked like he was enjoying himself, enjoying the moment, which is inspiring to me.

*12:39 Geb

If any world records can now be broken then it follows all are within reach. Many observers of the sport believe the existing wr's are doped. The breaking of those records - such as we have just seen with a record previously seen as virtually unbeatable - is telling us where we are with the sport. One conclusion may be that doping is still ahead of the game. A factor that has to be considered is the reduction in levels of testing - particularly in-person testing - as a result of the pandemic. A window was opened to those who were prepared to seize that opportunity. We will see more spectacular performances.

Definitely peaking too early in his running career. I bet he doesn't get much faster. He can get some pretty good results this year, but he is going to burn out. If only he had...... MF 12:35!!!! WOW! CONGRATULATIONS! Just had to throw in the "burn out" comment because every LetsRun thread needs it at least once.

Has Uganda now become a of rival of both Kenya and Ethiopia, stepping onto the world stage to establish a new east African national tradition of World Record Holders, Major Marathon Champions, World Champions, and Olympic Champions?

Now, will their be a push to be the first person under 12:30? Similar to what occured between Komen and Gebreselassie in the breaking of 12:40 during the mid-late 1990s?

Armstronglivs wrote:

If any world records can now be broken then it follows all are within reach. Many observers of the sport believe the existing wr's are doped. The breaking of those records - such as we have just seen with a record previously seen as virtually unbeatable - is telling us where we are with the sport. One conclusion may be that doping is still ahead of the game. A factor that has to be considered is the reduction in levels of testing - particularly in-person testing - as a result of the pandemic. A window was opened to those who were prepared to seize that opportunity. We will see more spectacular performances.

He soloed a road 5k in 12:51 on an undulating course before the pandemic hit globally and I'm sure the brand-new pacing light helped tremendously as well, so I wouldn't jump right to the conclusion that it's drug-aided.

Newsflash: The 12:51 was drug aided.

Which Italians is he connected with?

jakob is drugged though

walmsley superfan wrote:

If Jim was to specifically train for 5km for 12 months I believe he would get close to this WR, if not bettering it by maybe 4 or 5 seconds.

If Jim specifically trained for it, Cheptegea would let Walnsley scrub his WR underwear for him.

I wouldn't jump to the conclusion the 12.51 was unaided. But the pandemic has increased opportunity for doping.

trollism wrote:

George213 wrote:

He soloed a road 5k in 12:51 on an undulating course before the pandemic hit globally and I'm sure the brand-new pacing light helped tremendously as well, so I wouldn't jump right to the conclusion that it's drug-aided.

Newsflash: The 12:51 was drug aided.

Which Italians is he connected with?

To each his own, I just wanted to point out that his 12:35 yesterday is in line with his pre-COVID performances.

Armstronglivs wrote:

I wouldn't jump to the conclusion the 12.51 was unaided. But the pandemic has increased opportunity for doping.

and nike noregon project already had a great system in place

George213 wrote:

trollism wrote:

Newsflash: The 12:51 was drug aided.

Which Italians is he connected with?

To each his own, I just wanted to point out that his 12:35 yesterday is in line with his pre-COVID performances.

From sub-13 to 12.35 - and beating one of the toughest marks out there - is leaping over tall buildings in a single bound.

Do you realize the last 2000 was 5:00, incredible.