Official 2020 Monaco DL Discussion Thread

hang on...if the pace car in the INEOS and Breaking2 challenges violated some rule, why don't these pacing lights?

Hardloper wrote:

bdydjbfjdnfb wrote:

I don’t think you get it. These races are happening live. There’s no guarantee on what the cameras and runners will be doing. You can’t edit this stuff ahead of time.

The technology exists (see the NFL first down line) but yeah the lights are real.

Editing in a first down line is a hell of a lot simpler than the lights in the rail.

The pace car didn't break the rules actually, the rotating in and out pacemakers did + other few rules.

Aussiestatman wrote:

kimberley smith's area record goes to jess hull

Nah, Smith ran a 14:39.89 indoors, record still stands.

Mzungu in Iten wrote:

The pace car didn't break the rules actually, the rotating in and out pacemakers did + other few rules.

doesn't a pace car need to be a certain distance away from runners? I believe in the first breaking 2 attempt the pace car's distance was against the rules along with the lasers on the ground

seasoned ranker wrote:

Tron wrote:

It does if they follow the lights though..that’s my point. If someone chooses not to of course they won’t work. Pacers in a 5,000m will have easier time going out at a specific pace without guessing how fast they are going. That’s a big advantage

Advantage yes. Elimination of potential of human error no.

you're reading too much into my initial comment. I never said there will never be human error again. I'm just saying the "guesswork" for pacing is gone with this technology...it's right there for the runners to see at all times rather than once a lap or however they got splits previously.

Will every race be perfectly paced from now on? of course not, people may ignore the light but that's their decision to not utilize technology designed to take away one important aspect/variable of running, pacing.

He was also wearing a Garmin, you know, the little device he was paying way more attention to than the light beam going around the track. lol @ getting rustled about the lights, but not saying anything about the pacing device on his wrist.

huntskiki wrote:

He was also wearing a Garmin, you know, the little device he was paying way more attention to than the light beam going around the track. lol @ getting rustled about the lights, but not saying anything about the pacing device on his wrist.

GPS watches are notoriously bad on tracks. Plus It’s still different to look at a pace on watch vs. a constant visual

He’s not looking at the pace he’s looking at the splits.

cmon man wrote:

He’s not looking at the pace he’s looking at the splits.

Well then following lights in between lap/km splits are more useful then.

Not sure how anyone can say the lights aren’t an advantage if used properly.

Tron wrote:

cmon man wrote:

He’s not looking at the pace he’s looking at the splits.

Well then following lights in between lap/km splits are more useful then.

Not sure how anyone can say the lights aren’t an advantage if used properly.

To be fair, I'm fairly certain Berlin has had a pace car that showed the projected finish time and km split like 6-8 years ago. I think it was mentioned in the "2 hours book" I could be wrong though. My point is that technologically aided pacing is just the reality.

That doesn't take away from the fact that Bekele didn't have it for his record, and that is kind of incredible.

But this kind of stuff is the reality now. It doesn't "ruin the sport" like some are saying. I know it sucks that we can never know what Bekele would have run with the lights. Just like we would all love to know Jim Ryun's mile time on mondo in Vic 2s.

But understand that the logical conclusion to this kind of thinking is that we shouldn't change/ improve anything. That just isn't reasonable, it happens in Every. Single. Sport.

What an event!

I think we're just starting to see the potential of Jessica Hull, I wonder where she can take the record in the next couple of years?

Must have been hard for McSweyn and the others in the pack to find motivation in that race with Cheptegei so far out front, a solid run for him but I thought he might be closer to 13 flat shape.

Australia needs to bring wavelight to some events, eg. Steigen or the Albie Thomas mile.

This is not real. These people have not even been competing for the most part, no way are so many of them in such good shape. It's the 90's all over again, and you know what I mean!

World Athletics must have signaled an "anything goes" year to try to save itself from bankruptcy.

Tron wrote:GPS watches are notoriously bad on tracks. Plus It’s still different to look at a pace on watch vs. a constant visual

He wouldn't be using the GPS, just the time, as - as you say - GPS is terrible on tracks. All he needs to know is that he at the end of each lap he needed to be ahead of 1:01, 2:02, 3:03, 4:04, 5:05...

And the 200m splits are almost as easy, just add 30s on to the previous 400 split.

Obviously the lights do make pacing even easier but they can't be completely trusted. JC didn't seem to be using them.

Anybody returning from Monaco to the UK ( after 4am August 15th ) has to self-isolate for two weeks. Now, unless, UK athletes got on a plane very quickly, that's going to make a mess of their training.

Warholm just won't be beaten anytime soon. He runs it like you should. Balls to the wall and hope ya hold on at the end.

Hoppel has been so underrated for a longgg time. His kick is amazing and pro training (prolly some "supplements" lol) will only make him faster.

Brazier is Brazier but this 1:40 talk should probably stop for now at least until a real competition.

Holloway come on man. If it wasn't for the big three you would think Holloway could be one hell of a 400m Hurdle guy. He's a good 400m guy already. As big as he is he starts well but doesn't finish very well? I thought that was supposed to be the other way around.

The 5,000 was amazing and I don't really even like distance running. I wish that's how the best person would run everytime. Go as fast as you can the entire time. Instead of sit and kick shiat. He was lapping dudes haha.

Could they not get a descent USA female there for the 100m? Hell the 17 year old should be junior could of just won a diamond league race.

How did Hobbs ever run so fast in college at a school notorious for their runners running faster than they ever have again? Hmmm.

Lyles looking good. Funny how Gulev, or however you spell it, always looks like hell early on.

Why did Kenny run last week and not wait and go to this race and give Lyles some comp or head case Norman.

Great day of track

NJ fan wrote:

The camera was retarded. It was zoomed in on Cheptegei the whole last lap so we couldn't see where he was on the track. Couldn't even see him cross the finish line.

How can an inanimate object suffer from a mental disability?

Runner10287 wrote:

NJ fan wrote:

The camera was retarded. It was zoomed in on Cheptegei the whole last lap so we couldn't see where he was on the track. Couldn't even see him cross the finish line.

How can an inanimate object suffer from a mental disability?

Welcome to the future ?

Can we talk about Kimeli??!?

Had the guts to run with JC and even after he fell off he still ran 12:51. I don’t know when exactly he fell off but one could say he’s a potential 12:4x guy in the next couple years.