Official 2020 Monaco DL Discussion Thread

WJR for Jakob

just a hunch wrote:

I would think after a WR in that heat he should have been totally spent. He could have done another 69 sec 400 m by how he looked. I would like to believe he’s clean but I have my doubts. I’ll just enjoy it for what it is .... for now at least

If anything, it's more likely Bekeke was more of a suspect running in the EPO-era. And I am speaking as a huge fan of his. As for how he looked at the end, I think that's exactly the reason why he could break the WR. You have to run relaxed, even at 60s per lap pace.

Anyway, I understand your sentiment. It was wild. That was not a soft record, but dude just obliterated it, more than 10 meters away from the pacing light.

Jakob WJR wrote:

WJR for Jakob

No. It's his age at December 31 the year of the race that counts. Jakob is 20 years old dec 31.

Split comparison of all 4 sub 12:40 5ks in history

Daniel Komen (1997)- 12:39.74

2:32.7, 2:32.7, 2:31.9, 2:31.21, 2:31.21

5:05.4, 7:37.3, 10:08.53

Haile Gebrselassie (1998)- 12:39.36

2:34.8, 2:31.6, 2:32.9, 2:32.8, 2:27.3

5:06.4, 7:39.3, 10:12.1

Kenenisa Bekele (2004)- 12:37.35

2:33.24, 2:32.23, 2:31.87, 2:30.59, 2:29.42

5:05.47, 7:37.34, 10:07.93

Joshua Cheptegei (2020)- 12:35.36

2:31.87, 2:31.90, 2:31.37, 2:30.34, 2:29.90

5:03.77, 7:35.14, 10:05.46

Huh that's lame -- he's U20...

you could have someone who just turned 19 a day ago and someone turning 20 in a day; pretty different situations. they gotta standardize it somehow.

Marco Arop will be the new Rudisha in like 1-2 years. Mark my words, what a talent and what a long beautiful stride

Well one way to standardize it would be to say anyone a day under 20 years old counts. And then they could name it the U20 record after it haha...

i guess, but then it's basically a 20 year old...i don't totally get it either. people develop at different rates anyways.

Hyce Broppel wrote:

i guess, but then it's basically a 20 year old...i don't totally get it either. people develop at different rates anyways.

Right, but then everyone would have until the same age (the day before they turn 20) to get the mark. The way it is now, some people are ineligible almost immediately after turning 19.

MonacoObserver wrote:

zxcvzxcv wrote:

I wasn't able to find the telecast in time for the 800m, but they showed the finish and Hoppel looked so easy, smiling and it almost seemed as if he was not wanting to upstage Brazier; he looked that good. NCAA champs in the 800m so often run 1:45 or high 1:44. Only a few get down to the low 1:44s. He'd already done that last year, but what he's done now is what even the best NCAA champs almost never do. Symmonds, a D3 champ, was stuck in the mid to high 1:43s for years until 2012. Hoppel dropped a second from his pr here. He looks very much sub 1:43 capable the way he looked here. A bright future for the U.S. in the 800m.

Here's the replay:

https://youtu.be/SwtIDqLsApE

Holy sh*t! Brazier we expected, but Hoppel looks *amazing*.

That looks like a guy headed for sub-1:42 sometime in the next couple years if he can stay healthy.

Wow. (Yeah, I know, we thought that about Murphy too, but Hoppel might have an even better upside.)

Okay I do not know why everyone thinks the pace light is actually on the track. It is superimposed on the track for the video. ITS NOT ACTUALLY ON THE TRACK.

Coevett wrote:

800m

1. Brazier 1:43.3

2. Tuka 1:44.1

3. Langford 1:44.3

1500m

1. Jakob 3:28.8

2. Wightman/Grice 3:29.6

4. Filip 3:29.7

Well played sir.

he cant see the pace light wrote:

Okay I do not know why everyone thinks the pace light is actually on the track. It is superimposed on the track for the video. ITS NOT ACTUALLY ON THE TRACK.

There’s no damn way that is edited on to the rail in real time

bdydjbfjdnfb wrote:

he cant see the pace light wrote:

Okay I do not know why everyone thinks the pace light is actually on the track. It is superimposed on the track for the video. ITS NOT ACTUALLY ON THE TRACK.

There’s no damn way that is edited on to the rail in real time

......Yeah, If they could only come up with the technology to sequence the track lights to match World record pace.

Maybe someday in the far future!

That pacing light beam plays a role in these times. They don't necessarily have to race each other, they just time trial.

But I only watched the 800m. Looking for the 5k

zxcvzxcv wrote:

Mo Farah was handing it to mid 12:40s guys year after year, so he was surely capable of breaking 12:40 himself. But he did not have that mentality. He was always a racer even when he wasn't good enough. Go back and look at his strategy in championships before his breakthrough. He'd go to the lead with about 1k to go. He just wouldn't be able to hold it the last 300m.

Farah's 5k PB is 12:53.11. He raced on the tracks for what? 10, 15 yrs. No way his mgt team never tht of pushing him to go for a WR if they tht he cd do it. The Brits love this sort of thing as much as anybody. If they believed he had d 5k or 10k record in him they wd hv gone for it. One of the motivations is how much he wd earn. A WR holder simply earns more money from endorsements, esp if he is from the right country, and they don't come as gd as the UK (Only US is better) at endorsements. There is a reason why only 3 men (4 men after tonight) hv dipped below 12:40. It's extremely hard. You have to run at an even high tempo throughout. Last lap kickers hv absolutely no chance. Now we know what kind of form Cheptegei wd hv brought to Tokyo 2020. There was going to be a highly reduced chance of another gold for Farah.

Fasterer wrote:

bdydjbfjdnfb wrote:

There’s no damn way that is edited on to the rail in real time

......Yeah, If they could only come up with the technology to sequence the track lights to match World record pace.

Maybe someday in the far future!

I don’t think you get it. These races are happening live. There’s no guarantee on what the cameras and runners will be doing. You can’t edit this stuff ahead of time.

bdydjbfjdnfb wrote:

Fasterer wrote:

......Yeah, If they could only come up with the technology to sequence the track lights to match World record pace.

Maybe someday in the far future!

I don’t think you get it. These races are happening live. There’s no guarantee on what the cameras and runners will be doing. You can’t edit this stuff ahead of time.

The technology exists (see the NFL first down line) but yeah the lights are real.