Do you ever wonder whether coronavirus lockdowns are a "test" of how gullible and complacent the citizenry is?

Precious Roy wrote:

Covidiocy wrote:

This is exactly right. What we needed instead of a lockdown was a “slow burn” where we let the population get inoculated through the entire summer while keeping hospitals at max or near max capacity so that we could get through this thing sooner. Remember, the original lockdowns were to take pressure off of hospitals and let them ramp up resources, which many of them did. Heck, they filled a convention center in a major city with spillover capacity, but none of it is being used. The virus will smoulder and doesn’t care about lockdowns. Most teachers I know want to be back in school full time, because they know the enormous educational loss and lack of accountability/perverse incentive we have created. But they are held hostage by the unions, many of them the same liberals who voted in “their” school boards and union members to begin with.

Even Fauci admitted that 50% of the population has cell-mediated immunity, even though all of the testing and the push for a vaccine or monoclonal antibody treatments have focused myopically on antibodies. I’ve been positing that some form of cell mediated immunity exists for quite some time, and I’m quite certain that it’s higher than 50%. In essence, the people least likely to have developed it are the folks already quarantined, like the elderly in nursing homes or the immune compromised, who haven’t been constantly exposed to coronaviruses and who are the people we SHOULD be quarantining anyway. Plus, we now have five diagnostic blood markers to tell who is most vulnerable, particularly if two are elevated.

For God’s sake Roy, I know you think American Exceptionalism is both fiction and ironic, but instead of constantly complaining about the republic, just go move to your beloved China or Europe. The likes of your ilk will constantly be arguing over how to better split up an already shrinking pie rather than focusing on growing the pie. Meanwhile, your lockdown promotion and focus on BLM, the Marxist, anti-nuclear family organization, which is the seminal problem in that demographic, has provided plenty of cover for the billionaires and banksters to take one last scalp at America before the empire collapses. Who is the Federal Reserve really helping? But, hey, Covid!!! Imagine what this country will look like when a real pandemic with a 10-20% kill rate comes along. Just move already to your version of Babylon.

Everyone told me to move to Europe when I said that there were no WMDs in Iraq and the war was a huge mistake. Funny how right wingers always go to that move when they know that they are totally wrong, but plunder ahead anyway.

Herd immunity is now the latest COVID denier lie. We do not have heard immunity. Sweden does not have herd immunity. The immunity that plays a small role in containing an outbreak is not herd immunity. Herd immunity is when there is such a high level of immunity that the virus cannot find a host to continue an outbreak, causing R to get to R0 and ending the outbreak entirely. Herd immunity is 70% or more. The immunity that helps contain an outbreak is minimal and does not prevent new outbreaks like herd immunity does. Just look at Spain. You won't find a country that was hit as hard as Spain. Their rate of positive cases per million is the same as Sweden. But just two months after their outbreak was under control, they are back to 3-4k new cases a day. Sweden has only had its positive rate held down for about a month. You can expect to see a new outbreak in Sweden this fall.

But the biggest lie is that social distancing has nothing to do with positive rates coming down. That is like looking at a fire break line cut by firefighters and saying that the forest fire just tired itself out when it hit the break line. Time and time again we see very clear and direct correlations between social distancing measures and the control of outbreaks. In AZ, the governor closed bars, gyms, etc. on June 30. Within two weeks, new infections start dropping. And there is no better test case than Brazil. Bolsonaro has undermined governors' efforts to control the virus at every turn. Infections have been raging out of control since June. Where is their herd immunity? And infections continue out of control as Bolsonaro lifted restrictions two weeks ago.

Precious Roy wrote:

Covidiocy wrote:

This is exactly right. What we needed instead of a lockdown was a “slow burn” where we let the population get inoculated through the entire summer while keeping hospitals at max or near max capacity so that we could get through this thing sooner. Remember, the original lockdowns were to take pressure off of hospitals and let them ramp up resources, which many of them did. Heck, they filled a convention center in a major city with spillover capacity, but none of it is being used. The virus will smoulder and doesn’t care about lockdowns. Most teachers I know want to be back in school full time, because they know the enormous educational loss and lack of accountability/perverse incentive we have created. But they are held hostage by the unions, many of them the same liberals who voted in “their” school boards and union members to begin with.

Even Fauci admitted that 50% of the population has cell-mediated immunity, even though all of the testing and the push for a vaccine or monoclonal antibody treatments have focused myopically on antibodies. I’ve been positing that some form of cell mediated immunity exists for quite some time, and I’m quite certain that it’s higher than 50%. In essence, the people least likely to have developed it are the folks already quarantined, like the elderly in nursing homes or the immune compromised, who haven’t been constantly exposed to coronaviruses and who are the people we SHOULD be quarantining anyway. Plus, we now have five diagnostic blood markers to tell who is most vulnerable, particularly if two are elevated.

For God’s sake Roy, I know you think American Exceptionalism is both fiction and ironic, but instead of constantly complaining about the republic, just go move to your beloved China or Europe. The likes of your ilk will constantly be arguing over how to better split up an already shrinking pie rather than focusing on growing the pie. Meanwhile, your lockdown promotion and focus on BLM, the Marxist, anti-nuclear family organization, which is the seminal problem in that demographic, has provided plenty of cover for the billionaires and banksters to take one last scalp at America before the empire collapses. Who is the Federal Reserve really helping? But, hey, Covid!!! Imagine what this country will look like when a real pandemic with a 10-20% kill rate comes along. Just move already to your version of Babylon.

Everyone told me to move to Europe when I said that there were no WMDs in Iraq and the war was a huge mistake. Funny how right wingers always go to that move when they know that they are totally wrong, but plunder ahead anyway.

Herd immunity is now the latest COVID denier lie. We do not have heard immunity. Sweden does not have herd immunity. The immunity that plays a small role in containing an outbreak is not herd immunity. Herd immunity is when there is such a high level of immunity that the virus cannot find a host to continue an outbreak, causing R to get to R0 and ending the outbreak entirely. Herd immunity is 70% or more. The immunity that helps contain an outbreak is minimal and does not prevent new outbreaks like herd immunity does. Just look at Spain. You won't find a country that was hit as hard as Spain. Their rate of positive cases per million is the same as Sweden. But just two months after their outbreak was under control, they are back to 3-4k new cases a day. Sweden has only had its positive rate held down for about a month. You can expect to see a new outbreak in Sweden this fall.

But the biggest lie is that social distancing has nothing to do with positive rates coming down. That is like looking at a fire break line cut by firefighters and saying that the forest fire just tired itself out when it hit the break line. Time and time again we see very clear and direct correlations between social distancing measures and the control of outbreaks. In AZ, the governor closed bars, gyms, etc. on June 30. Within two weeks, new infections start dropping. And there is no better test case than Brazil. Bolsonaro has undermined governors' efforts to control the virus at every turn. Infections have been raging out of control since June. Where is their herd immunity? And infections continue out of control as Bolsonaro lifted restrictions two weeks ago.

Bad Wigins wrote:

It's a textbook example of an extreme bandwagon effect. The BLM protests are another example and were used to fuel it.

Bandwagoneers lose their minds and use their groupthink to excuse themselves from thinking anything through. People are comfortable believing what everyone else does.

For example they believe putting any old piece of cloth on their face is necessary and useful, because everyone else does it. They reconcile this with the past when authorities were telling them not to wear masks, by Fauci assuring them that he was lying to preserve medical supplies. They don't ask themselves, "hey, wait a minute - if I can just make my own mask out of cloth, why didn't Fauci just tell everyone to do that right away? That would still have preserved the medical masks, and been the much more responsible approach." They just skate right past the illogic, pay it no mind.

Let's tell it like it is wrote:

Greg wrote:

No, it's a serious virus that was at first surpressed by the Chinese government.

The reultant measures taken by foreign governments, whether Canada, the US, or anywhere else, are a reaction to contain and 'stop the spread'.

However, another way to look at this situation is that it's a test of human resolve. The majority of people are healthy, though a small number can fall ill and possibly die.

This may be a test of how long people will tolerate governments preaching compliance and precaution when most people feel healthy and many have opposing views.

Not according to investigative journalist Jon Rappoport who's been investigating pandemics for over 30 yrs. China has a terrible toxic air pollution problem that kills 300,000 people and hospitalizes millions every year. They had a major protests last fall that didn't go over very well with the CCP. Their lockdowns and announcement of a phoney virus set this whole thing in motion:

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/08/12/the-china-lockdown-origin-of-the-war-against-the-population-of-earth-pretense-of-containing-the-virus/

And the World Bank is threatening countries with no financial aid that didn't lockdown:

https://greatgameindia.com/belarus-world-bank-coronavirus-conditions/