Well what do you expect. those Kiwi A-HOLES are not letting us in from the outside world. Same principles as the Latin America migrant caravans wanting to enter the United States. WE NEED A SAFE, BETTER LIFE, YOU NEED TO LETTUCE IN.
Can't shut yore borders down, what kind of humans are you? Have you know hart?
Subway Surfers wrote:
The danger NZ was always running would not be seen until 2021 and that is the big countries develop a vaccine for their own people, that is 85% effective and the other 15% are dead or immune and can reopen their economies, meanwhile NZ has neither and is forced to reopen and be ravaged or stay closed and default in an economic crisis.
New Zealand is part of COVAX which means that they will be waiting until the end of 2021 to get enough vaccine for 20% of their population as their consortium includes a number of non-contributing third world countries that are guaranteed equal access due to funding from Bill and Melinda. The US on the other hand has the capacity to inoculate a third of its populace by the end of this year. Considering that we are on pace to have a third or more of our population already with antibodies at that point (we are likely well over 20% at this point), we should be able to hit over 65% by the end of this year, which should be sufficient for herd immunity. New Zealand will just have to keep shut down longer.
Armstronglivs wrote:
seikosha wrote:
I get a kick out seeing the term "Experts" applied to anything Covid. In reality, there are no experts when it comes to this. An expert is someone who has spent years studying a subject and knows it inside and out. They can cite papers and studies off the top of their head and have their mind completely wrapped around the subject.
Having a worldwide pandemic in the modern global age is brand new to everyone. There are no experts in this, only people who know bits and pieces. Maybe in 4 or 5 years, we can truly have experts in how a global pandemic impacts us economically, medically and socially, but until then, there are no experts.
So none of you would ever go to a doctor when you are sick? And scientists never have anything to tell you. How ignorance elevates itself to claim knowledge it doesn't have.
If you don't see the difference between medical doctors and supposed Covid 19 "experts" it is you that is ignorant.
So tell me, what changes have you made in your life that the "experts" have shared with you to help with this virus situation?
Armstronglivs wrote:
why so doom and gloom? wrote:
You must not know Armstronglivs!
I'm not an expert. I listen to what they have to say. But you don't. You know better.
Actually, I also listen to what they have to say and question what they say when it doesn't make any sense. I'm also willing to listen to people who are willing to share what they have learned and are implementing instead of just calling those with questions insulting names.
Let's tell it like it is wrote:
That's pretty much what the Democrats want to do until they reclaim the WH. The left is really ramping up the fearmongering - they're in the homestretch to the election. They smell blood in the water and are going full throttle to stick it to Trump and reclaim the WH.
All one has to do is watch CNN and witness the constant fearmongering - they keep the death count ticker going like they're keeping track of an Olympic medals count. All their medical experts do is nothing but inject fear & terror as if this was an apocalyptic virus. OTOH, FOX news reports on real threats in this country as the Democratic controlled cities & states are falling victim to ruthless thugs and criminals.
What's going on in Chicago is deplorable - the Mayor has lost complete control of that city. DC is falling prey to violent crime. Portland has lost control of law & order as thugs roam free to prey on incident people. And now the Seattle police chief has resign because of budget cuts and reductions in personnel. People and businesses will be moving out in droves from these out of control Democratic controlled cities. So, we let the Democratic-fueled fear and hysteria of the "virus" scare the living daylights out of us while our cities have become war zones and unrecognizable.
Americans just don't get it - they're in fear of the wrong problem. When will we wake up?
Look I think what the left is doing is fearmongering but some might aregue you are doing a little bit of the same thing in terms of crime.
I think it's interesting to compare murder vs Covid so I did a little research.
If we round, one cay say there have been 500 murders and 5000 covid-deaths in Cook County (Chicago) so far this year. So you are 10x times more likely to die of Covid than be murdered. Now, for younger people you are much more likely to be murdered.
Deaths for people under the age of 45 are just 4% of all Covid deaths. So if you mutliple 5000 by .04 that means roughly 200 people under the age of 45 have died of Covid in Cook county and one can assume nearly all of the muders are people under 45.
So for people under the age of 45, their odds of being murdered are higher than dying of Covid in chicago.
Another way to look at it is years of life lost.
Median age of death by Covid is 78. If you are 78 in the US, your life expectancy is 10 years (88). (
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
) So, 5000 victims have lost 50,000 years of life.
Average age of homicide victims in the US is 33. (
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/wicked-deeds/201601/homicide-fact-age-matters
) Life expectancy at 33 is 80 years, or 47 years of life to live. Thus, 500 victims have lost 23,500 years of life.
Hence, I would say the impact of Covid in Chicago is currently twice the impact of murder if there have been 5000 Covid victims and 500 murder victims.
why so doom and gloom? wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
So none of you would ever go to a doctor when you are sick? And scientists never have anything to tell you. How ignorance elevates itself to claim knowledge it doesn't have.
If you don't see the difference between medical doctors and supposed Covid 19 "experts" it is you that is ignorant.
So tell me, what changes have you made in your life that the "experts" have shared with you to help with this virus situation?
Among his considerable qualifications and experience - which has included advising several Presidents on public health issues - Dr Fauci is a medical doctor and immunologist. What were you saying about ignorance?
why so doom and gloom? wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
I'm not an expert. I listen to what they have to say. But you don't. You know better.
Actually, I also listen to what they have to say and question what they say when it doesn't make any sense. I'm also willing to listen to people who are willing to share what they have learned and are implementing instead of just calling those with questions insulting names.
Ignorance is when the man in the street thinks he knows as much about a subject that another has spent his life studying. You are unable to tell the difference.
Armstronglivs wrote:
why so doom and gloom? wrote:
If you don't see the difference between medical doctors and supposed Covid 19 "experts" it is you that is ignorant.
So tell me, what changes have you made in your life that the "experts" have shared with you to help with this virus situation?
Among his considerable qualifications and experience - which has included advising several Presidents on public health issues - Dr Fauci is a medical doctor and immunologist. What were you saying about ignorance?
You aren't very good at responding to simple questions.
So we now know that you feel Dr. Fauci is your expert, great! What has he told you and the World that you are now doing differently to help with this virus situation?
Have yo recently started washing your hands? Have you just started to avoid picking your nose? Are you no longer sneezing on friends and family members? What exactly has this "expert" shared that you are now doing to help with the Covid 19 situation?
Armstronglivs wrote:
why so doom and gloom? wrote:
Actually, I also listen to what they have to say and question what they say when it doesn't make any sense. I'm also willing to listen to people who are willing to share what they have learned and are implementing instead of just calling those with questions insulting names.
Ignorance is when the man in the street thinks he knows as much about a subject that another has spent his life studying. You are unable to tell the difference.
Thanks for not calling me a foolish name! When have I indicated that I know more about anyone, on any subject?
Subway Surfers wrote:
ghguhu wrote:
Please update us in August 2021 to let us know how they did.
COVID death per capita
GDP...
BTW: 3 or 4 known cases with no known source = 400 cases
It certainly isn't a good look. A scientist modeling outbreaks has already suggested that data indictates some 6 or 7 dozen now have the virus in the space of two days from zero.
Holy crap! You mean even those countries who 'did everything right' are going to get his by this too? Even those that are completely surrounded by bodies of water?!? What a revelation.
joedirt wrote:
New Zealand ... were able to contain it by shutting borders because they are an island nation
Joe, most of the world acted by locking down and shutting borders. Not being an island does not mean that you cannot shut borders, and moreso you may shut borders within the nation itself.
All it takes is leadership.
SprintTriathlon wrote:
joedirt wrote:
New Zealand ... were able to contain it by shutting borders because they are an island nation
Joe, most of the world acted by locking down and shutting borders. Not being an island does not mean that you cannot shut borders, and moreso you may shut borders within the nation itself.
All it takes is leadership.
Yet states within the United States that did not shut down have fared better than so many of the states that had strict stay at home orders. Doesn't it appear that a one size fits all approach is NOT the correct approach? What have the experts said and what has happened? Look how many hospitals went empty for months and have lost millions in routine procedures?
arunnerinwa wrote:
Another way to look at it is years of life lost.
Median age of death by Covid is 78. If you are 78 in the US, your life expectancy is 10 years (88). (
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html) So, 5000 victims have lost 50,000 years of life.
Average age of homicide victims in the US is 33. (
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/wicked-deeds/201601/homicide-fact-age-matters) Life expectancy at 33 is 80 years, or 47 years of life to live. Thus, 500 victims have lost 23,500 years of life.
Hence, I would say the impact of Covid in Chicago is currently twice the impact of murder if there have been 5000 Covid victims and 500 murder victims.
To take that a step further a lot of 78 year olds are beating this. The average life expectancy in the Us is 78. The people dieing of this even at the older age are very unhealthy people who had less than 2 years of life at best, many had weeks. The healthier 78 year olds with a decade or more left are generally beating this.
44% of the deaths (actually more but we dont know thanks to Coumo) were nursing home patients. Average life expectancy on entering a nursing home is 13 months, median is 5 months. If a person entered a nursing home when Covid broke start of March there would be a greater than 50% chance they would be dead now even without Covid. Why we are not better representing these deaths along with the younger people who have an underlying condition or multiple comorbidities is a total failure. It is absolutely a concerted effort to mislead the public. People have no perspective that 1.4 million Americans die every 6 months.
Way too many logical facts!
Keep that up and you will get banned!!
why so doom and gloom? wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Among his considerable qualifications and experience - which has included advising several Presidents on public health issues - Dr Fauci is a medical doctor and immunologist. What were you saying about ignorance?
You aren't very good at responding to simple questions.
So we now know that you feel Dr. Fauci is your expert, great! What has he told you and the World that you are now doing differently to help with this virus situation?
Have yo recently started washing your hands? Have you just started to avoid picking your nose? Are you no longer sneezing on friends and family members? What exactly has this "expert" shared that you are now doing to help with the Covid 19 situation?
I follow the advice from my government that is directed by the science. Clearly, you are some way behind in understanding the science. You think I am reluctant to respond to questions - yes, when they are either irrelevant or simply infantile, such as about nose-picking (are you 15?) - but you are even more unable to admit error, as with your claim about doctors and Covid experts - who are mostly one and the same. You show me your opinions are completely irrelevant.
Armstronglivs wrote:
You show me your opinions are completely irrelevant.
Many posters feel the same about you and the drivel you write on lrc every day, as if you were some kind of authority.
why so doom and gloom? wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Ignorance is when the man in the street thinks he knows as much about a subject that another has spent his life studying. You are unable to tell the difference.
Thanks for not calling me a foolish name! When have I indicated that I know more about anyone, on any subject?
How about - "What have the experts gotten right with this virus?"
Pajac wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
You show me your opinions are completely irrelevant.
Many posters feel the same about you and the drivel you write on lrc every day, as if you were some kind of authority.
Yet they can't seem to ignore what I say. Speaking of drivel - there you have some expertise.
rojo wrote:
Let's tell it like it is wrote:
That's pretty much what the Democrats want to do until they reclaim the WH. The left is really ramping up the fearmongering - they're in the homestretch to the election. They smell blood in the water and are going full throttle to stick it to Trump and reclaim the WH.
All one has to do is watch CNN and witness the constant fearmongering - they keep the death count ticker going like they're keeping track of an Olympic medals count. All their medical experts do is nothing but inject fear & terror as if this was an apocalyptic virus. OTOH, FOX news reports on real threats in this country as the Democratic controlled cities & states are falling victim to ruthless thugs and criminals.
What's going on in Chicago is deplorable - the Mayor has lost complete control of that city. DC is falling prey to violent crime. Portland has lost control of law & order as thugs roam free to prey on incident people. And now the Seattle police chief has resign because of budget cuts and reductions in personnel. People and businesses will be moving out in droves from these out of control Democratic controlled cities. So, we let the Democratic-fueled fear and hysteria of the "virus" scare the living daylights out of us while our cities have become war zones and unrecognizable.
Americans just don't get it - they're in fear of the wrong problem. When will we wake up?
Look I think what the left is doing is fearmongering but some might aregue you are doing a little bit of the same thing in terms of crime.
I think it's interesting to compare murder vs Covid so I did a little research.
If we round, one cay say there have been 500 murders and 5000 covid-deaths in Cook County (Chicago) so far this year. So you are 10x times more likely to die of Covid than be murdered. Now, for younger people you are much more likely to be murdered.
Deaths for people under the age of 45 are just 4% of all Covid deaths. So if you mutliple 5000 by .04 that means roughly 200 people under the age of 45 have died of Covid in Cook county and one can assume nearly all of the muders are people under 45.
So for people under the age of 45, their odds of being murdered are higher than dying of Covid in chicago.
Rojo
The USA is a mess. The left the right Trump or Biden....the poor masses that have sh$#twages those that are middle income. The USA does not look after all the people. Trickle down economics doesn't work. Pay people livable wages no matter what job they have. Health care for everyone. Make those that make billions pay their equal share of tax. Go live somewhere else and look at it from the outside and you will see things differently. Took me 20 years to realise things aren't what they seem in the good old USA. Stay safe and healthy.