So we can have recreational and youth sports everywhere but not college sports?

You can start by thanking these &@!holes. They showed how responsible college students are.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2020/08/06/louisville-dismisses-mens-soccer-players-party-leads-covid-19/3314176001/

There are plenty of places where there are not school sports, youth sports, recreation sports.

Youth sports also don't require extensive travel, hotels, airplanes, etc. Yes, sure, there are tournaments like this but most youth sports is kids playing against kids from their own town and going home to their family.

pavement88 wrote:

There are plenty of places where there are not school sports, youth sports, recreation sports.

Youth sports also don't require extensive travel, hotels, airplanes, etc. Yes, sure, there are tournaments like this but most youth sports is kids playing against kids from their own town and going home to their family.

So you're saying youth sports involves families of each player travelling to a game. And there are games multiple times a week.

Meanwhile college sports at least for football the teams travel every other week max and on chartered planes or buses. Without fans that would mean no families are travelling.

Which sounds safer?!

This isn't about safety. This is about keeping minorites in poverty by crashing the economy and taking away sports. Democrats want minorities to be dirt poor. Joe Biden gave the euology at one of the former leaders of the KKK's funeral and he practically worshipped the guy. He pointed out that Byrd knew how to take care of his people. He tried to get as many pointers as possible from the guy on how to keep minorities down.

This is about continuing to have as much disruption to "normal" as possible. They want football gone, and they want the schools cancelled.

Mark my words, there is no way public schools are going to make it more than a month. These people are going to scream and b!tch n moan hysterically until school is cancelled.

Once Biden wins, we will be told how well its being handled and the markets and job growth will come back, he will be portrayed as a genius.

People will still get sick, people will still die, but we will be TOLD we're doing better, so everyone will move on- just like other illnesses that have run through the US.

pavement88 wrote:

There are plenty of places where there are not school sports, youth sports, recreation sports.

Youth sports also don't require extensive travel, hotels, airplanes, etc. Yes, sure, there are tournaments like this but most youth sports is kids playing against kids from their own town and going home to their family.

Soccer tournament this weekend had two blue tents for shade. About 30 people under each. Maybe more. Easier to play where's Waldo then to find the super spreaders.

you can't have college sports if you can't let college kids on campus.

club sports are gonna get way more popular

Agreed. Just a few more months before everything is solved.

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pavement88 wrote:

There are plenty of places where there are not school sports, youth sports, recreation sports.

Youth sports also don't require extensive travel, hotels, airplanes, etc. Yes, sure, there are tournaments like this but most youth sports is kids playing against kids from their own town and going home to their family.

So you're saying youth sports involves families of each player travelling to a game. And there are games multiple times a week.

Meanwhile college sports at least for football the teams travel every other week max and on chartered planes or buses. Without fans that would mean no families are travelling.

Which sounds safer?!

I am talking about kids playing t-ball and soccer in their town parks.

Always follow the money. College sports need fans in the seats to pay for everything. Their tv money is not like pro sports. They can't fly to other schools, stay in hotels and feed the athletes if they don't have fans in the seats.

High school sports bus to other very local schools, eat their own food and stay in their own beds. A couple hundred fans can social distance better than thousands.

Pro sports are able to afford to play because of the tv money (subsidy or tax) they get from everybody that pays for cable or satellite tv. They aren't as dependent on the fans as college sports.

Again, NOT about safety, but about money.

There is still an unknown / uncomfortable risk. What if one member of the faculty and three non-faculty are severely ill or killed... at each large university.... because of COVID? That is 4 out of 1000. It’s one thing to say the death rate is low... it is another to look your staff “in the eye” and say I am willing to risk your life - when in reality, we can reasonably do class online.

All along, I’ve thought we have overreacted, but I also empathize with decision makers and don’t think this is all a political dance. On this issue, it seams about 30 million folks are going to disagree, regardless of the decision. That is a lot of distraction and anger to negotiate with.

We are talking about sports, not class. Most colleges are holding in person class but may cancel sports.

The biggest difference is leadership and accountability. College sports are part of the NCAA and between the president of the university and the NCAA their are targets for lawsuits etc. if (when) people die. Youth sports mostly operate in a vacuum and are driven by people who want to just make money by being willing to disregard safety procedures. Now college sports are obviously driven by money as well but they are in the spotlight meaning it will be national news when someone gets sick whereas no one really knows if it happens in a youth tournament because they aren't being tested daily and it is harder to trace it back to the tournament being the source.

A lot of schools are publicly funded. Several state schools in the big 10. Anything publicly funded is being shut down (public schools, sports...etc).

What does this do? It just shifts the risk to another group. In the case of schools, instead of making teachers essential workers, we now will have students going to daycare centers to do their virtual learning. So the daycare employees, who probably make $12 an hour and get no insurance, they get to absorb the risk. It’s completely backwards, and per usual, the poorest and least insured groups bear the brunt of Covid.

NovemberCure wrote:

This is about continuing to have as much disruption to "normal" as possible. They want football gone, and they want the schools cancelled.

Mark my words, there is no way public schools are going to make it more than a month. These people are going to scream and b!tch n moan hysterically until school is cancelled.

Once Biden wins, we will be told how well its being handled and the markets and job growth will come back, he will be portrayed as a genius.

People will still get sick, people will still die, but we will be TOLD we're doing better, so everyone will move on- just like other illnesses that have run through the US.

The markets will come back from what? They’re already near the all time highs. The housing market is on fire, and Unemployment, while not good, isn’t as bad as they predicted it would be.

I find it hilarious that even a global pandemic that exposed all his weaknesses, combined with an outright media war against Trump STILL hasn’t managed to tank the country economically and wipe out the gains made under Trump. And then when opportunity was ripe for pretty much *anyone* in good cognitive standing, the democrats selected Biden as their candidate.