snerdly hep hep ack ack wrote:
BLM ignores that of the 449 murder in Chicago this year, 316 or 70% have been black on black murders (55 have been classified as "unknown" including the black rapper FBG Duck, so the number is even higher).
This is nothing new. This has been largely ignored for a long, long time. This doesn't fit the "narrative" they want.
MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:
snerdly hep hep ack ack wrote:
BLM ignores that of the 449 murder in Chicago this year, 316 or 70% have been black on black murders (55 have been classified as "unknown" including the black rapper FBG Duck, so the number is even higher).
This is nothing new. This has been largely ignored for a long, long time. This doesn't fit the "narrative" they want.
Wrong. BLM are an anti-racist movement calling for inequalities to be addressed. If black lives are being lost because blacks are in gangs or rough housing or bad schools then that too is a something addressing the legacy of racism will solve.
appleswan wrote:
MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:
This is nothing new. This has been largely ignored for a long, long time. This doesn't fit the "narrative" they want.
Wrong. BLM are an anti-racist movement calling for inequalities to be addressed. If black lives are being lost because blacks are in gangs or rough housing or bad schools then that too is a something addressing the legacy of racism will solve.
Exhibit A. Note that this this poster used "legacy of racism" as a justification for riots/looting and/or murder, rather than "systemic racism." There may be a nuance to it, but it's more likely haphazard use of media inspired buzz-words.
Also note that he is pretty far off message on BLM's alleged purpose, which has been repeatedly explained on this message board as being primarily directed to addressing white police brutality against blacks, and NOT concerned with black on black crime. Hey, at least he recognizes the hypocrisy and takes a shot at reconciling it (the answer, of course, was it's all your fault, white guy).
Isn't there a possibility that looting will reinforce negative stereotypes? Which hurts ANTIFA's and BLM's ultimate goal of racial harmony and making The USA the World's most High Trust society.
snerdly hep hep ack ack wrote:
appleswan wrote:
Wrong. BLM are an anti-racist movement calling for inequalities to be addressed. If black lives are being lost because blacks are in gangs or rough housing or bad schools then that too is a something addressing the legacy of racism will solve.
Exhibit A. Note that this this poster used "legacy of racism" as a justification for riots/looting and/or murder, rather than "systemic racism." There may be a nuance to it, but it's more likely haphazard use of media inspired buzz-words.
Also note that he is pretty far off message on BLM's alleged purpose, which has been repeatedly explained on this message board as being primarily directed to addressing white police brutality against blacks, and NOT concerned with black on black crime. Hey, at least he recognizes the hypocrisy and takes a shot at reconciling it (the answer, of course, was it's all your fault, white guy).
There's no hypocrisy in focusing on accountability for police misconduct anymore than there is hypocrisy in focusing on breast cancer awareness month.
snerdly hep hep ack ack wrote:
appleswan wrote:
Wrong. BLM are an anti-racist movement calling for inequalities to be addressed. If black lives are being lost because blacks are in gangs or rough housing or bad schools then that too is a something addressing the legacy of racism will solve.
Exhibit A. Note that this this poster used "legacy of racism" as a justification for riots/looting and/or murder, rather than "systemic racism." There may be a nuance to it, but it's more likely haphazard use of media inspired buzz-words.
Also note that he is pretty far off message on BLM's alleged purpose, which has been repeatedly explained on this message board as being primarily directed to addressing white police brutality against blacks, and NOT concerned with black on black crime. Hey, at least he recognizes the hypocrisy and takes a shot at reconciling it (the answer, of course, was it's all your fault, white guy).
Never try and represent yourself in court.
Clearly BLM's main focus has been police brutality but it's quite clear they oppose all racism. I'm not going to win any prizes for that observation. If "black-on-black" crime occurs because of a legacy of racism then that's something anti-racists oppose. Legacy just means the effect of decades of systemic racism if you needed help.
snerdly hep hep ack ack wrote:
Hey, at least he recognizes the hypocrisy and takes a shot at reconciling it (the answer, of course, was it's all your fault, white guy).
The world doesn't revolve around you. Stop thinking you are part of the group of people who created the society that BLM oppose. Very few benefitted from the slave trade or segregation, just because the people trading or enforcing the law were white doesn't mean you are to blame. You may imagine your ancestors as being in high society but in reality they were probably destitute. The only grace they had was that they were white. You still have a responsibility to help address any lasting effects of racism as does everyone if we want to progress.
Getting too Weird wrote:
it all started with Marshall Fields wrote:
Ever since Marshall Fields left, the great city of Chicago has been in decline. Businesses and residents have been leaving steadily in the past decade. Beautiful city but horrible taxes and leadership, ever-growing crime.
Lived there for 15 years and moved to Dallas this summer. There is a reason *everyone* is moving to Dallas from CA and NY and Chicago. People are sick of being taxed up the wazoo to live somewhere full of homeless people, crime, and vandalism
Don’t go to Austin then. It’s becoming another liberal shiiit hole.
No its not. Its been that way for years.
Precious Roy wrote:
Lightfoot did a press conference and unequivocally called the looters felons. This all started when an officer exchanged gunfire with a suspect. The suspect was hit and taken to the hospital. A crowd gathered around the scene and people started spreading false rumors that the police shot a child. That got around to social media and people started getting word on social media to go downtown. No protest ever started. Instead, people were emboldened by the large groups gathering and started smashing windows and looting stores.
This incident just goes to show how much we are on the edge in this country. If you think that people living in neighborhoods like the south side of Chicago are going to just submit to police violence and accept the never ending poverty and desperation that surrounds them, you better watch out. This kind of violence and looting is criminal and without any political organizing. And that is why everyone should be scared. Political movements like BLM get co-opted and rendered ineffective. But nothing can stop the kind of violence like what happened last nigh in Chicago. It is an all out revolt against the existing order and is only concerned with seeing the destruction of that order.
Your post is very unfortunate, but I think it is largely true. What is more unfortunate is that a lot of these people are going to get locked up for a long time and they're going to be in much worse situations than before. I don't believe these people are all super poor and unemployed. Much of this is social.
Trump tried the "shock and awe" method in Portland/Seattle and failed. Lighfoot has already mentioned the video surveillance, plus the fact that a lot of people live-streamed themselves looting (why would you do that?). The cops will get many of these folks in the coming weeks and they will serve sentences that they do not really deserve. Not because they didn't do the crime, but because many of these people are normal folks - not true criminals - who have been caught up in a movement that is taking advantage of them.
It kind of sounds like you want the world to burn, but in reality we have a public safety system that is very capable of handling this type of thing. Eventually, people are going to see their friends get slapped with major crimes and decide it might not be worth heading out to loot the Ulta on a Sunday night with friends.
Also... we need to do something about social media.
No , you are not allowed to have feeling of distain for , or even insecurity about people even if their crime stats are very over the top. Even if you have personally taken a lot of punishment or attempted scams from certain people relative to the general population you have faced all your life, you are not allowed to have these feelings. In fact, you must accept that it is your fault.
Well, you can't make change until you are willing to identify the real problem.
TheseKidsUnderstand3 wrote:
Well, you can't make change until you are willing to identify the real problem.
Which is? Hearing a lot about "the real problem" but nobody says openly what it is
This almost reads like satire, crazy.
CME Groupie wrote:
Precious Roy wrote:
Lightfoot did a press conference and unequivocally called the looters felons. This all started when an officer exchanged gunfire with a suspect. The suspect was hit and taken to the hospital. A crowd gathered around the scene and people started spreading false rumors that the police shot a child. That got around to social media and people started getting word on social media to go downtown. No protest ever started. Instead, people were emboldened by the large groups gathering and started smashing windows and looting stores.
This incident just goes to show how much we are on the edge in this country. If you think that people living in neighborhoods like the south side of Chicago are going to just submit to police violence and accept the never ending poverty and desperation that surrounds them, you better watch out. This kind of violence and looting is criminal and without any political organizing. And that is why everyone should be scared. Political movements like BLM get co-opted and rendered ineffective. But nothing can stop the kind of violence like what happened last nigh in Chicago. It is an all out revolt against the existing order and is only concerned with seeing the destruction of that order.
Your post is very unfortunate, but I think it is largely true. What is more unfortunate is that a lot of these people are going to get locked up for a long time and they're going to be in much worse situations than before. I don't believe these people are all super poor and unemployed. Much of this is social.
Trump tried the "shock and awe" method in Portland/Seattle and failed. Lighfoot has already mentioned the video surveillance, plus the fact that a lot of people live-streamed themselves looting (why would you do that?). The cops will get many of these folks in the coming weeks and they will serve sentences that they do not really deserve. Not because they didn't do the crime, but because many of these people are normal folks - not true criminals - who have been caught up in a movement that is taking advantage of them.
It kind of sounds like you want the world to burn, but in reality we have a public safety system that is very capable of handling this type of thing. Eventually, people are going to see their friends get slapped with major crimes and decide it might not be worth heading out to loot the Ulta on a Sunday night with friends.
Also... we need to do something about social media.
No, most of these people aren't going to get locked away for a long time. The wonderful State's Attorney Kim Foxx will probably drop charges against anyone arrested.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/investigations/ct-kim-foxx-felony-charges-cook-county-20200810-ldvrmqvv6bd3hpsuqha4duehmu-story.htmlSend a Social Worker wrote:
https://www.blacklivesmatterchicago.com/press-release-on-the-englewood-police-shooting/This almost reads like satire, crazy.
Sheesh. I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't take this organization seriously. They are making things worse for the black community than the KKK.
The legacy of racism is not the problem. If we pulled down every monument, or changed the name of every state, city, street related to the era of slavery or defunded police, do you really think that would change the behavior of Chicago looters, drug dealers, and criminal gang members? Do you think that would change the frequency of black on black killings?
If you do, you are blind to the actual truth that needs to be addressed. Amazing that some people refuse to look inside themselves. But I think many blacks who live in neighborhoods that are under the siege of internal wars are beginning to see this and are starting to speak out.
The real problem is the lack of family structure, the lack of teaching self responsibility and discipline, the dependence on welfare and other government subsidies, the perpetuation of the sense of being a victim and therefore justifying violent criminal behavior, the rampant drug use and subsequent drug trade. Just to name a few of the real reasons.
There are so many successful black men and women in this country. While not all, I often find that most of these people had some kind of guiding family structure in their life, even if their family was not well off economically. The teachings were much more important than economic class of their upbringing.
It’s fairly laughable to think these people will be prosecuted in any number to have a significant impact on behavior.
When you vote for one of the two unpleasant scenarios of septuagenarian presidential leadership this Fall; remember which party at best allows and at worst abets this type of behavior. I hope a coalition of center-left/center-right emerges to have some impact on 2022 and have a presidential candidate by 2024 but this nonsense the Democrats have embraced needs to be stomped out.
It is sad to see that people in many Black Neighborhoods are so fearful of Police that many have bars over their windows (A fire hazard) and even BEFORE the Pandemic in many Fast Food and Convenience Stores there is Bullet Proof Glass separating the Cashier from the Customers because the people working there are so afraid that cops will decide to walk in the store to shoot them, just think how it feels, you can be a law abiding, friendly, courteous, model citizen and you are still at extremely high risk of being shot SOLELY because of the color of your skin. No wonder the overwhelming majority of people in Black neighborhoods want to abolish the police. They just want to feel safe like everybody else.
Tongue in cheek aside; and acknowledgement that racism is not the issue. The way you fix all of this is by increasing safety in these neighborhoods. With safety comes opportunity and growth. When you actually break the cycle of poverty in these neighborhoods that is brought on by violence you would change the entire trajectory.
Send a Social Worker wrote:
https://www.blacklivesmatterchicago.com/press-release-on-the-englewood-police-shooting/This almost reads like satire, crazy.
Indeed it does. One delusional paragraph after another to such an extent that you wonder if there was a competition for who can write the craziest account.
But at least the BLM guy doesn't hedge like some do here - he pretty much says, on behalf of BLM-Chicago, that they will keep rioting and looting "until our demands are met."
douglas burke wrote:
It is sad to see that people in many Black Neighborhoods are so fearful of Police that many have bars over their windows (A fire hazard) and even BEFORE the Pandemic in many Fast Food and Convenience Stores there is Bullet Proof Glass separating the Cashier from the Customers because the people working there are so afraid that cops will decide to walk in the store to shoot them, just think how it feels, you can be a law abiding, friendly, courteous, model citizen and you are still at extremely high risk of being shot SOLELY because of the color of your skin. No wonder the overwhelming majority of people in Black neighborhoods want to abolish the police. They just want to feel safe like everybody else.
Solved! The mystery identity of the LRC poster who penned the BLM-Chicago piece linked above. You put the loon in luney with that post, Dougie.