Accidental study of dexamethasone, isn't that the one?
Has the editorial in the issue basically saying (if you read b/w the lines).."Here is a study about HCQ, we're holding our noses"
Also this was weeks ago, where have you been?
Finally, I do think hcq is generally harmless. We should just offer it to whoever requests it provided they sign a waiver in case they are unlucky enough to suffer heart problems and that they understand all legitimate evidence suggests it does nothing.
Sick of this debate. Take it if you want. Wont help. But take it if you want.
thanks for taking the time, i will think more critically about this.
armstronglivs i see your comment was deleted but i want to know your side. have you read the linked study? if so, i'd like to know what your gripe was with it. i'm trying to learn what i can about this virus.
Yes, why was his comment deleted? This site is so effed up.
he wrote that, "even fox mews has stopped promoting this snake oil" or something along those lines.
If you click on the link, you will see that this is an "observational study." The final sentence of the abstract is "Prospective trials are needed to examine this impact." That was July 1.
We have now had multiple large, random controlled trials find no benefit in treating COVID-19 with hydroxychloroquine. Many treatments that seem promising, even in observational trials, do not end up providing any benefit. At this point, the only people still promoting HCQ are peddlers of disinformation.
Critique of the Ford Hospital study.
The Predictor wrote:
https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltexthttps://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study
Welcome to 6 weeks ago.
The Predictor wrote:
thanks for taking the time, i will think more critically about this.
armstronglivs i see your comment was deleted but i want to know your side. have you read the linked study? if so, i'd like to know what your gripe was with it. i'm trying to learn what i can about this virus.
My comment was deleted because of the moderator Covid-bias that exists on this site, in line with its consistent promotion of alt-right non-scientific opinion.
It is correct, as I said, that Fox News stopped promoting hydroxychloroquine once the overwhelming evidence became clear that it didn't benefit Covid patients and could even harm them.
The consensus of most epidemiologists now is that the drug is ineffective if not dangerous (because of the effect on the heart for those who have a cardiac condition), and the studies that purport to claim otherwise have been widely rejected by the experts because they have tended to be anecdotal with too small a sample of cases and not conducted according to "the gold standard" of randomized double-blind research.
But the moderators here still apparently prefer the Trump take on hydroxychloroquine. I'm surprised they aren't promoting disinfectant either.
It just shows how narrow-minded you are when you think anyone who disagrees with you on this subject is American, a Trump supporter, alt-right, and unscientific.
Are you saying that there are idiots who still support the use of HCQ that are not all of these things? Who are they?
Here's an excellent blog showing why a "Randomized Control Trial" that showed a huge effect of HCQ is not valid. Warning: contains real statistics.
http://freerangestats.info/blog/2020/08/09/country-regressionCredibility101 wrote:
Yes, why was his comment deleted? This site is so effed up.
because he's a leftwing lunatic.
A global survey found that anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine was the most highly-rated treatment against the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19).
This new survey completed by Sermo on March 27, 2020, reported 6,227 physicians in 30 countries found that 37 percent of those treating COVID-19 patients rated hydroxychloroquine as the “most effective therapy” from a list of 15 options.
Also, the survey of 6,227 doctors found that the most commonly prescribed treatments are 56% analgesics, 41% Azithromycin, and 33% Hydroxychloroquine.
Previously, a survey distributed on March 30, 2020, about 83 percent of independent pharmacists in the USA said ‘they should be able to dispense a limited supply of malaria drugs, as long the patient has tested positive ..... and is under a doctor's care.’
https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/fda-issued-emergency-authorization-hydroxychloroquine-treatment-covid-19-patients-usaMy earlier post was removed because it reflected the view of those "narrow-minded" scientists - the majority - who see no benefit for Covid patients with Trump's favorite drug. Even Trump's bullhorn of Fox News has given up pushing it. But LRC remains a bastion of quackery.
https://www-sciencenews-org.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-19-coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine-no-evidence-treatment/amp?amp_js_v=a2&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15970683017338&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sciencenews.org%2Farticle%2Fcovid-19-coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine-no-evidence-treatmentYour March studies have been debunked.
https://www-wired-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.wired.com/story/hydroxychloroquine-still-doesnt-do-anything-new-data-shows/amp?amp_js_v=a2&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15970692463702&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wired.com%2Fstory%2Fhydroxychloroquine-still-doesnt-do-anything-new-data-shows%2Fhttps://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/three-big-studies-dim-hopes-hydroxychloroquine-can-treat-or-prevent-covid-19https://medcitynews.com/2020/08/why-hydroxychloroquines-appeal-endures-despite-evidence-it-doesnt-work-for-covid-19/iron90 wrote:
Credibility101 wrote:
Yes, why was his comment deleted? This site is so effed up.
because he's a leftwing lunatic.
The last part may be right but that is anything left of the Confederacy now in Trump's America.
Alan55 wrote:
Pajac wrote:
It just shows how narrow-minded you are when you think anyone who disagrees with you on this subject is American, a Trump supporter, alt-right, and unscientific.
Are you saying that there are idiots who still support the use of HCQ that are not all of these things? Who are they?
Here's an excellent blog showing why a "Randomized Control Trial" that showed a huge effect of HCQ is not valid. Warning: contains real statistics.
http://freerangestats.info/blog/2020/08/09/country-regression
thank you, thank you. read it. im just curious now about why u.s. doctors have said it definitely works? are they giving it to people who would have survived covid without any specific treatment?
Armstronglivs is very much anti-Trump, anti-conservative. If you're not on his team - watch out - he'll give you the business. But he's a good guy with some good posts. But he leans very Left and you know what happens these days when a Leftist & a Conservative try to discuss anything - powerkeg! Lol.
All politics aside, is there any medication, whether Hydroxychloroquine or something else, that is efficacious in treating Covid patients? I would think in this day & age there would be something in the massive pharmaceutical arsenal that would be a cure for Covid patients. I think the vaccine(s) are going to be too flimsy and unreliable, therefore, we need a pharmaceutical cure.
Sometimes I think we're in 1920 and not 2020 the way we can't seem to effectively treat Covid patients. You would have thought by now some top notched crack doctor(s) would have found a cure by now. This is a stupid virus not cancer!
The whole disinformation campaign by the left surrounding COVID has been shocking. The one regarding this medicine has been criminal as it has cost lives. There are scenarios in which it has been shown that the medication is effective in its use. But it is not effective in certain situations or if the patient is past a certain stage of the virus. If you look at a lot of studies or articles on hydroxychloroquine that say it doesn't work you have to read down to the details to see that it is once the patient has reached a certain point in their battle with the virus. This is accepted science by the Drs and researchers who have shown that it does work.
It is shocking that some people hate Trump so much that they will go against anything he says just to spite him. There has been that tool or saying well this crazy person like the lady who believes in Demons in Texas says it is effective treatment so obviously it is quack medicine. Sometimes these people are right on certain topics. In this case, an effective medical treatment that can saves lives has been trashed just because Trump used it as an example of an effective treatment.