highhoppingworm wrote:
I definitely interpreted your comment as incredibly aggressive and offensive ;)
What I do find interesting is that it seems many elites train in super shoes. This is entirely anecdotal (and could be wrong) from pictures and videos from workouts but from what I have seen they don't subscribe to the race day special shoe philosophy.
Wouldn't you train in "super shoes," if you had an unlimited quantity of them?
I would but that runs contrary to what most others in this thread are saying.
Tyler_Runs_Lifts wrote:
highhoppingworm wrote:
I definitely interpreted your comment as incredibly aggressive and offensive ;)
What I do find interesting is that it seems many elites train in super shoes. This is entirely anecdotal (and could be wrong) from pictures and videos from workouts but from what I have seen they don't subscribe to the race day special shoe philosophy.
Wouldn't you train in "super shoes," if you had an unlimited quantity of them?
I would not. Definitely would not. For the reasons stated above.
I also wonder how much of the "elites training in super shoes" is intentional social media promotion.
As far as the discussion goes, I have two pairs of VF 4% & 1 pair of Next % ... One of the VF 4% have a lot of miles on, so I use them for general long runs when I need some extra cushioning ... The second pair of VF 4% are only used when I have a hard workout to do where I would want to feel as if I am racing ... The Next % goes unused until I have a race.
Man, I got behind.
Congrats on 2nd and excellent splits OR!
Image, on the hills, I would say whatever you can get is good enough. Ive heard and read the 8-12% number. But like you that is hard to find around here in a smooth surface thats not a main road. Also, my achilles didnt like when I tried to add those back in so less incline may be more than enough.
Onto carbon shoes, I use mine at least once a week sometimes twice. The main reason for me is my legs feel significantly better post hard workouts. I am running in the Saucony EPs right now not Nike.
Although a good friend did snag me a size 13 alphafly today. Really hoping they fit and feel good!
npurdy1112 wrote:
Man, I got behind.
Congrats on 2nd and excellent splits OR!
Image, on the hills, I would say whatever you can get is good enough. Ive heard and read the 8-12% number. But like you that is hard to find around here in a smooth surface thats not a main road. Also, my achilles didnt like when I tried to add those back in so less incline may be more than enough.
Onto carbon shoes, I use mine at least once a week sometimes twice. The main reason for me is my legs feel significantly better post hard workouts. I am running in the Saucony EPs right now not Nike.
Although a good friend did snag me a size 13 alphafly today. Really hoping they fit and feel good!
Nice on the Alphafly - I debated pulling the trigger, but decided to hold off for now.
I did grab a pair of the Endorphin Pros, and am actually going to do a workout in them tomorrow. Which I know seems inconsistent with what I wrote above, but I do like to try shoes out with some fast running once or twice before storing them in anticipation for a race.
There is soemthing to NPs comment ... if I tempo in the VF .. the next day I feel so much better than if in the fuelcell rebels or a trainer ... One could possibly keep the quantity of quality higher .. esp as we age.
I just dont wear them much cause I am cheap as hell .. and 250$ for a pair of kicks is pricey
runrincerepeat wrote:
There is soemthing to NPs comment ... if I tempo in the VF .. the next day I feel so much better than if in the fuelcell rebels or a trainer ... One could possibly keep the quantity of quality higher .. esp as we age.
I just dont wear them much cause I am cheap as hell .. and 250$ for a pair of kicks is pricey
It's odd, but I have the opposite experience - I get much more beaten up in the plated shoes. The stack height is hard on my body, especially my ankles.
You just nailed my reasoning. All of my injuries seem to occur after hard tempo work in trainers for whatever reason.
darkwave wrote:
runrincerepeat wrote:
There is soemthing to NPs comment ... if I tempo in the VF .. the next day I feel so much better than if in the fuelcell rebels or a trainer ... One could possibly keep the quantity of quality higher .. esp as we age.
I just dont wear them much cause I am cheap as hell .. and 250$ for a pair of kicks is pricey
It's odd, but I have the opposite experience - I get much more beaten up in the plated shoes. The stack height is hard on my body, especially my ankles.
Is for me in the FKs a tad ... but the Nexties just fit me perfect... altho after building up my legs more w squats and deads .. i have noticed my foot landing is much more forefront than before.
And if anyone is looking for a SUPER trainer .. esp for the price.. I cant get over how much I like the Reebok Forever Floatride Energy .... the foam seems softer, lighter and more pop than boost
I’ve been wanting to try those. Maybe I’ll grab a pair. I have some endorphin speeds showing up tomorrow. I’m psyched for those.
On the subject of shoes...I agree completely with Smoove and DW. Gotta feel something special on race day...and some type of slight edge, too (i.e.a lighter or more race-oriented shoe). My choice of socks can differ, too.
No offense to anyone here...
OR - if ever find a cheap pair. Try the NB fuel cell rebel for shorter racing. Think you would love it. It’s a tad different at first but really rolls well and pops well without being a “super shoe”. I love it on the track
RRR - Thanks for the tip. That looks like a nice shoe.
outsiderunner wrote:
On the subject of shoes...I agree completely with Smoove and DW. Gotta feel something special on race day...and some type of slight edge, too (i.e.a lighter or more race-oriented shoe). My choice of socks can differ, too.
No offense to anyone here...
I’m concerned that there may be an aged based skew here, mostly because I’m in the cohort olthatnincludes a 50 year old.
Bunch of old bast*rds
“Back when I was a kid we used to run 5 miles to school with bricks attached to our feet. Kids these days with their super shoes pshhhh.”
I'm with Tyler on this - I had two pairs of VF 4% (OG) and ended up getting 500+ miles in each. Raced in them until probably 120 each (without a single marathon too!) and then just moved them into road workout shoes (tempos, long intervals like 4 x 3k etc.). My legs just feel much better the day after and allow me to run higher quality more often. That said I do keep to flats for track/grass sessions.
I also got a pair of Alphafly's which I've worn once (for 3 x 5k at MP (17:35ish)). They're insane. In a good and bad way. I felt they genuinely changed my stride quite a bit. Much more vertical oscillation in the hip and tight hamstrings when I finished. But it felt so EASY. I think maybe one more session in them, then a HM race on 12th September and finally an actual marathon on October 4th. They're just too special to wear any more than that and I do want to preserve that race day feeling as much as possible. And they are different enough to anything I've ever worn that it will feel special.
My one race in super shoes (Next %) was a marathon, so I can’t blame the shoes for my legs being pretty beat up after, but the stack height worries me. I’ve found a nice groove with light trainers (Adidas Boston, ASICS DS Trainer) and more midsole feels too wobbly for regular use even with the plate.
Definitely agree on that special race day feel, and on being too cheap to train in $250 shoes!
OR - Nice, consistent running in the swamp!
runrincerepeat wrote:
Is for me in the FKs a tad ... but the Nexties just fit me perfect... altho after building up my legs more w squats and deads .. i have noticed my foot landing is much more forefront than before.
And if anyone is looking for a SUPER trainer .. esp for the price.. I cant get over how much I like the Reebok Forever Floatride Energy .... the foam seems softer, lighter and more pop than boost
I second the Reeboks... i've been training in them over the past 2 years or so... best trainer for the money. Can usually get them for $60, last 500+ miles, and are a great shoe.
I also do my track work or tough workouts in my racing shoes sometimes. I like the feeling of being fast in my race shoes for a workout I want to nail. I'm not the kind that saves a shoe for only race day. I like to know how the shoe feels, and feel confident that I've nailed workouts in these shoes, and now I'll nail this race.
I have a pair of Next% and just ordered another... along with a pair of Alphaflys... b/c whatever. I don't spend money on anything else for myself (see kids, wife, house, etc)... so why the heck not! Live a little!