Courtney Dauwalter throwing down for the ladies

She is seriously incredible. Such a positive person too, pretty impressive stuff.

Thanks for posting!

Who is Bryan Williams?

My point is, we all know Courtney Dauwalter. If Kilian Jornet had taken a shot it'd be another story.

Either way, she is simply amazing.

Courtney Dauwalter is a great runner. But this is a FKT attempt, not a World Record attempt.

Not many people do this kind of thing, so it's pretty safe to assume that the men's record is a bit softer than the men's Marathon world record.

Just saying.

Go Courtney!

Courtney is closing in on Winfield this evening. The turnaround point of the Leadville 100.

If I have this right, she started on August 5th in the afternoon. It looks like she is almost one day ahead of the old men's record.

https://share.garmin.com/CourtneyCT

There's no indication that any world record holders have the toughness to run for three days (plus) on one hour of sleep.

Just saying.

Makes Paper wrote:

There's no indication that any world record holders have the toughness to run for three days (plus) on one hour of sleep.

Just saying.

Because there is no major money in it, while there is in Diamond League, major marathon championships, etc.

By your flawed logic, Courtney has the toughness to easily run a sub 2:20 women's marathon...

Makes Paper wrote:

There's no indication that any world record holders have the toughness to run for three days (plus) on one hour of sleep.

Just saying.

Plus, this is a single-minded thing. Just about anyone can train themselves to do a single task non-stop for 3 days. Notice SINGLE task. The Marine Corps crucible is a multi-day culmination of bootcamp on very little sleep with MULTIPLE TASKS.

Makes Paper wrote:

There's no indication that any world record holders have the toughness to run for three days (plus) on one hour of sleep.

Just saying.

What?

YIannis Kouros ran for three days without sleep many times.

He also holds all the World Records from 24 hours to 1000 miles.

I think the poster is talking about 26.2 miles and below world record holders.

Trailrunner 5522 wrote:

Makes Paper wrote:

There's no indication that any world record holders have the toughness to run for three days (plus) on one hour of sleep.

Just saying.

What?

YIannis Kouros ran for three days without sleep many times.

He also holds all the World Records from 24 hours to 1000 miles.

This is good. But to the poster who said no marathon world record holder has the toughness...lol, the Kenyans and Ethiopians do 30 mile long training runs at a fast pace...They'd easily complete 100 miles in well under 24 hours, probably under 12 hours.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXqmmq1E3bc

Sapel wrote:

Who is Bryan Williams?

My point is, we all know Courtney Dauwalter. If Kilian Jornet had taken a shot it'd be another story.

Either way, she is simply amazing.

+1

As always I'm very impressed with Dauwalter who's doing amazing, but seriously, all this "women might be better than men at ultra distances" crap is total bullshit and has been proven wrong by men like Yiannis Kouros for a long time. Of course it's not suprising that a female world class ultra runner like Dawaulter could take down a lot of FKTs held by random men, just like it's not suprising that world class women at the 5k, 10k or marathon could easily beat hobby joggers like me

She's not competing against men (and shouldn't be). There is generally about a 10% difference between the very top men and the top women in distance running events and that is the #1 "Genetic variation" that a guy like Ross Tucker will point out (the difference between biological sexes and inherent advantages). Now in niche ultra running events the sample size is just too small so the data is generally weak. Duh. Sometimes women win races outright. A lot of times even at a race like Western States (small field size) a female finishes in the top 20 overall. However the bar of this particular FKT is set because a human being did the Colorado trail in 8-something days. Apparently this "FKT site" doesn't even have a Women's record for the direction and route Courtney is doing? Hence the "comparison" to Byran. But Courtney is amazing. She won UTMB (in a great time !) and has done super well at a lot of the super long ultra events. This is a "long trail FKT" which I'd imagine is quite different even from a single 100-miler. So things like sleep deprivation and powerhiking with poles/efficiency (esp at 13,000' on steep grades during hot days and cold nights) generally would have more variables at play. At lot of times it's not so much the distance that matters (ie. 50km vs 50-miles)...its how much climbing and how the trail conditions are and how long you'r going to be out there for (and at what altitude/weather conditions). Forget about the "mentally tough" thing though. Every top distance runner in every event is "mentally tough." That should be a constant. This is physical. The mental component is about problem solving with gear selection and nutrition/hydration. I haven't gone over 26 hours/100-miles in a single pull though so I'll admit to my lack of experience in these events though. https://fastestknowntime.com/route/colorado-trail-co

seriously still a thing? wrote:

Sapel wrote:

Who is Bryan Williams?

My point is, we all know Courtney Dauwalter. If Kilian Jornet had taken a shot it'd be another story.

Either way, she is simply amazing.

+1

As always I'm very impressed with Dauwalter who's doing amazing, but seriously, all this "women might be better than men at ultra distances" crap is total bullshit and has been proven wrong by men like Yiannis Kouros for a long time. Of course it's not suprising that a female world class ultra runner like Dawaulter could take down a lot of FKTs held by random men, just like it's not suprising that world class women at the 5k, 10k or marathon could easily beat hobby joggers like me

Sex de ate aside, I'm a fan of Courtney but once you go on the long distance trails for FKT you should really be carrying all your gear and doing it solo, camping on the trail. Anish, Joe MacCanoughy, The Flash, etc. Whenever a supported hiker goes in for the fkt, a nobody comes out of the woodworks and beats it carrying everything.

ha! Tell that to Joey Campanelli...who apparently got the overall FKT on the Nolan's 14 line this summer "totally unsupported" beating guys like Alex Nichols (and more recently Sean Vanhorn) by hours...despite them having crews/support. Again these are all very niche ultra events with small sample size data. Campenelli is an interesting case though because his race results do not suggest anything close to a 43 hour Nolans kind of performance IMO. He also mysteriously had a "run/moving time" and "total elapsed time" that was within like 100 seconds (after 43 hours unsupported!) and a discrepancy of over 20 miles between his Suunto data and his iPhone running the Strava app. Why he didn't have a SPOT is beyond me. I think it should be required. I also don't think you should be comparing "super long trail FKTs" like over 30 day pulls on the AT or PCT to something like a 7-8 day CT pull. This really is a realm I don't know much about though so I'll admit to that. There is a reason the categories are: "supported" "un-supported" and "self-supported"....lots of categories and lots of "route variations"...drives me crazy with FKTs! Btw I raced Joe "string bean" at Lake Sonoma 50-miler one year I think.

nikea wrote:

Sex de ate aside, I'm a fan of Courtney but once you go on the long distance trails for FKT you should really be carrying all your gear and doing it solo, camping on the trail. Anish, Joe MacCanoughy, The Flash, etc. Whenever a supported hiker goes in for the fkt, a nobody comes out of the woodworks and beats it carrying everything.

Once you get up to like a week of trailing on a long distance fkt hike I think it is comparable to the 50 day fkts. It's def closer to a multi week one versus a standard ultra. A couple days could be akin to an ultra. The only difference is the 50 day guys and gals are getting injured more often, almost always and still go on. I did follow the Joey Camps Nolan's outcome. He also interestingly was going for fkt on the Appalachian Trail same year as Joe, but was not in the lime light for his near record attempt.

seriously still a thing? wrote:

As always I'm very impressed with Dauwalter who's doing amazing, but seriously, all this "women might be better than men at ultra distances" crap is total bullshit and has been proven wrong by men like Yiannis Kouros for a long time. Of course it's not suprising that a female world class ultra runner like Dawaulter could take down a lot of FKTs held by random men, just like it's not suprising that world class women at the 5k, 10k or marathon could easily beat hobby joggers like me

As the distances get longer, the % of women in the field decreases and you have mostly fast women with few slow women while you still have lots of slow men. As a result, the average time for women approaches the average time for men as the races get longer.

This is similar to the fact that the average SAT score in Mississippi (1237) is higher than that from Massachusetts (1120). In Mississippi, only 3% of students, mostly the top students, take the SAT (ACT is more important for southern schools), while in Massachusetts 81% of students take it.

ultramight wrote:

As the distances get longer, the % of women in the field decreases and you have mostly fast women with few slow women while you still have lots of slow men. As a result, the average time for women approaches the average time for men as the races get longer.

This selection of fewer slow women as distances get longer is plainly seen in the data:

Obviously, an individual woman doesn't run faster when she goes farther in distance. Why people still speculate on physiological causes for this phenomenon when it's clearly a statistical effect is beyond me.

Here's where I got those graphs from:

ultramight wrote:

Here's where I got those graphs from:

https://runrepeat.com/state-of-ultra-running

This was the dumbest "study" ever.