Bowerman Track Club 2000m Elimination Race

Renewed Marathoner wrote:

I wasn't referring to them. I know they ran a 1500. Sorry if that wasnt clear.

Yes in xc super common to run a 5k every Saturday. Or 8k in college.

Hell you can run two marathons in a year no problem.

Look it doesn't seem like you'll change your mind. Fine. I think most people on the planet agree with me. I'm content with my position

Haha 8k every Saturday in college? Most college teams run 3 8k's before the Regional meet spread out by 2-3 week intervals. Also, no one was arguing two marathons in a year.

But going all-out for fast times taxes you physically. Having to run it solo and not in a pack with people to drag you along taxes you mentally. There's no point in doing it other than fanbase satisfaction. Their work is done. Watch the Monaco diamond league meet Friday, I'm sure you'll forget all about your vendetta against Bowerman.

So do you run, like, marathons? wrote:

outsider69 wrote:

Lol you're so right...hopefully the BTC can find a way to achieve success in the program despite Jerry's best efforts.

I don't think a single athlete who ran a PR would say they wasted a season, especially when being in your best shape this year doesn't matter.

It's pretty obvious that they needed to complete their minimal races to fulfill their contract, and they got on their better efforts when they could.

That they ran to "complete their minimal races to fulfill their contract" is exactly the problem.

Shelby, Mo, and Lopez will never again have a good opportunity to chase a 10K PR while this fit. They will regret that one day.

Some people just don't get it (^^^^see above)

Renewed Marathoner wrote:

I wasn't referring to them. I know they ran a 1500. Sorry if that wasnt clear.

Yes in xc super common to run a 5k every Saturday. Or 8k in college.

I do think we get overraced like that, for sure after weeks on end. But ok even conservatively.. the idea that an all out ,1500, 5k and 10k in an entire season is too much is really silly. These athletes are trained to run rounds too. So at the very least you have us champs (or us trials) and then world's(or Olympics). That's several hard efforts right there and I'm sure they'd run bare minimum two hard races before that.

Hell you can run two marathons in a year no problem.

Look it doesn't seem like you'll change your mind. Fine. I think most people on the planet agree with me. I'm content with my position

Yes, three races in a season isn't that crazy. However, three races all out at your peak is a little bit crazy (especially at three very different distances). It's borderline impossible to pull off. They clearly peaked for these 5ks, and you expect them to just hold that fitness for another month? You may be content with your position but your position is wrong.

You also have to consider the mental aspect of this. These athletes aren't thinking "Oh man I need to get in these quality races because I'll never be this fit again" they are expecting to be fitter than this next year when stuff matters again and this will not be the last time they are this fit. There is nothing wasted about this season. You all will think Jerry next year when they are cleaning up at the US trials and preparing for the Olympic games.

They might be as fit or fitter next year - keyword MIGHT - tomorrow is never guaranteed. But more importantly, they will likely never have the opportunity to run a paced 10K TT. It just won't happen. That is what they will regret one day.

So do you run, like, marathons? wrote:

They might be as fit or fitter next year - keyword MIGHT - tomorrow is never guaranteed. But more importantly, they will likely never have the opportunity to run a paced 10K TT. It just won't happen. That is what they will regret one day.

+1

Many times, the chance never comes again. Ask Jager about his 8’00 Steeplechase that he will retire with.

It’s great to see the Bowernan Bro (s) here under multiple handles to defend their play games though. It will be a difficult pill to swallow to see Fisher’s talent wasted on this mindset.

Three races “all out” at your “peak” is not a little bit crazy at all. It’s done in junior high. Pretty sure many world class runners have “chased records” and turned out fine too.

Three different events at your peak is not borderline impossible either. That’s such a ridiculous statement. Salazars athletes did this all the time. Hassan won the 1500 and 10k last year against incredible fields. Rupp, Kejelcha, KoKo have showed similar range in a season. Few - if any - injuries reported by this group. This is one group in the last 5 years... Impossible?! Ha.

You make runners look soft saying they can’t run a fast 1500, 5k, and 10k in a season.

Yes. What’s the general length between USA champs and WC/Olympics? ?

Almost everybody except the Bowerman TC seem to be able to run in top shape for about two months as in a normal track season. They might be a little bit better at the absolute peak, but not by that much, and this will often depend on the circumstances on the race anyway. Otherwise most DL races (starting in May usually and going through August or even September) would suck and have subpar marks. And not only the Africans who might need it for money. Look at Coburn or Koko in 2019. Or even at Houlihan in 2018, very good sub 4 shape from late May to late August, more than 3 months, even if shere might have been a peak in July with the best 1500 race and the 5k record.

3:57.34 Shelby HOULIHAN Lausanne (SUI) 05 JUL 2018

3:58.94 Shelby HOULIHAN Boudewijnstadion, Bruxelles (BEL) 31 AUG 2018

3:59.06 Shelby HOULIHAN Hayward Field, Eugene, OR (USA) 26 MAY 2018

14:34.45 Shelby HOULIHAN Heusden-Zolder (BEL) 21 JUL 2018

Where's the woman's elimination race?

Jesus, I hope this isn't the consensus mindset here. It's crazy how little posters know about training. It's also crazy how able they are to critique a program they know nothing about, with no understanding of physiology. Some people are even comparing the BTC training and racing to high schoolers. That's insane! I fear for the future of our sport.

LOL even better, I read the post wrong. You're actually comparing Shelby Houlihan to junior high school runners... I'm done responding to this crap. What a joke.

outsider69 wrote:

It's crazy how little posters know about training.

You're so cute. Throwing a little tantrum when I provide you with numerous examples of athletes racing a wide variety of events at the highest level during a short time span.

I'll stick with Salazar's training and the numerous world champs... you can keep saying it's "borderline impossible" to pull off even though it happens all the time in our sport - and, spoiler alert, the athletes are healthy and still world beaters.

macdaddy 1 wrote:

outsider69 wrote:

It's crazy how little posters know about training.

You're so cute. Throwing a little tantrum when I provide you with numerous examples of athletes racing a wide variety of events at the highest level during a short time span.

I'll stick with Salazar's training and the numerous world champs... you can keep saying it's "borderline impossible" to pull off even though it happens all the time in our sport - and, spoiler alert, the athletes are healthy and still world beaters.

yes. for example, in 2015, Mo Farah was hitting PRs or near PRs every month or 2

Feb 21: 8:03 in 2 mile

March 22, 59:32 for 13.1

May 29, 26:50 for 10k

July 17, 3:28 for 1500

Sep 13, 59:22 for 13.1

between those, he also ran several other races, including the 5k/10k gold medal double at worlds.

So do you run, like, marathons? wrote:

They might be as fit or fitter next year - keyword MIGHT - tomorrow is never guaranteed. But more importantly, they will likely never have the opportunity to run a paced 10K TT. It just won't happen. That is what they will regret one day.

krsuno wrote:

So do you run, like, marathons? wrote:

They might be as fit or fitter next year - keyword MIGHT - tomorrow is never guaranteed. But more importantly, they will likely never have the opportunity to run a paced 10K TT. It just won't happen. That is what they will regret one day.

this is easily the best 'race' of the pandemic era between the commentary and ridicilous splits this was enthralling

1:53 800 split, 3:58 through the mile wow

not too bad of a field

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