Covid deaths to surpass 300,000 DEAD by December. People are still downplaying it.

ukathleticscoach wrote:

streak wrote:

Everyone dies of something. Literally everyone. The average age of 'death from Covid' is at or above the average life expectancy. Unless you're very old, you need not worry about it. And if you are very old, you probably recognize that you will in fact one day die of something. That's part of life. I think that so many hysterical young people have for some reason just realized that they will one day die, and they're venting that anxiety like OP here. Here's the good news for you OP: when you die, it will most likely not be from Covid.

As you lack empathy come back when you are 70 and see how willing to give up on another 10 years +

I’m not even close to 70, but if it came down to protect me and affect everyone or put me at risk, I would choose putting myself at risk. It is my responsibility to take my own precautions and how selfish would I be if I thought everyone should change or have to lockdown just to protect my health.

old news wrote:

You do realize that 700,000 people a year die of heart disease. Why isn’t that hyped? How hard is it to get out and go for a walk or not supersize you’re fries? Are you making a big deal about this because a lot could be prevented if we got healthier. It’s more than covid the media just doesn’t publicize it. Ironically, if these same people would take care of their health, their risk for covid would go down as well.

Heart disease is made up, just like covid! The same people who want to take away your freedom by making you wear a mask want to stop you eating fries.

You can actually see obese people and fries though, so it's not like they don't exist.

old news wrote:

ukathleticscoach wrote:

As you lack empathy come back when you are 70 and see how willing to give up on another 10 years +

I’m not even close to 70, but if it came down to protect me and affect everyone or put me at risk, I would choose putting myself at risk. It is my responsibility to take my own precautions and how selfish would I be if I thought everyone should change or have to lockdown just to protect my health.

Absolute same. And I know many old people who feel the same! Quite frankly if this miserable way of living is mandated to continue, I have no reason to worry about clinging to life even at my YOUNG age. Because it's not worth living. There are elderly people still meeting for gatherings on the down low, still doing the activities they enjoy. They want to LIVE life. We all should.

These draconian measures have destroyed the economy, and what many don't seem to understand is that the economy=lives. I feel deep empathy for suffering. And so I also feel it for the millions of people losing their jobs, their homes, their dreams and their wills to live. The hysteria must end. Life MUST go on. We can't playact otherwise. It's been six months of this now. Enough.

streak wrote:

. . . what many don't seem to understand is that the economy=lives.

True, though probably not in the way you intend.

Early in the American epidemic (and I wish I could find the quotation again), someone prescientlly observed that we could have a hundred thousand dead and a recession...or a million dead and a *depression*. We don't save the economy by spending extra lives; we save the economy by *saving* lives.

We will *not* be getting "back to normal" until the virus is under control. We could have it under control (not eliminated, but under control) by Hallowe'en, even without a vaccine, if *all* Americans washed hands, wore masks, kept their distance, avoided indoor gatherings, and got tested (and, if infected, provided contact info to public health authorities).

But no, some people think that back to normal means "things exactly as they were," refuse to take those measures, and are *insuring* that the economy will continue to be hammered and that LIVES WILL BE NEEDLESSLY LOST as a result.

Deniers are tanking the economy by their (in)actions and people are dying as a result.

dunes runner wrote:

You can actually see obese people and fries though, so it's not like they don't exist.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Since you can't see microbes or viruses I guess they don't exist.

You're half right and half wrong. Microbes can be seen.

There are 10x as many microbes in the body as human cells, microbes that are vital to the life of humans.

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Viruses cannot be seen and are an entirely theoretical concept, i.e. the fraudulent germ theory of diseases.

No thanks. I prefer to not join you back there.

Slowing the spread and flattening the curve was intended to save lives only if hospitals were overwhelmed which less than 2% were. But more lives were lost and will be lost from other causes related to the shutdowns. Flattening the curve was never intended to lessen the number of cases, just spread them out which has the effect of infecting even more due to a later period of herd immunity. The only way that flattening the curve will end up saving lives is if a vaccine is discovered in the next 6 months. It will not be. New York is the example of a state that had a steep curve which is why their numbers are dropping. They are the example of what experts said not to do.

The real science deniers are the ones quashing and censoring real data and clinical experiences of doctors all over the globe. Youtube, Google, WHO, Facebook, Pharma, MSM...all those with $$$ at stake for continuing the madness which is breaking down society itself.

dunes runner wrote:

dunes runner wrote:

You can actually see obese people and fries though, so it's not like they don't exist.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Since you can't see microbes or viruses I guess they don't exist.

You're half right and half wrong. Microbes can be seen.

There are 10x as many microbes in the body as human cells, microbes that are vital to the life of humans.

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Viruses cannot be seen and are an entirely theoretical concept, i.e. the fraudulent germ theory of diseases.

So what causes infectious disease then? Currently the scientific consensus is some are bacterial (which are living microbes and self-replicating) and some are viral (which are not living and need to use the host's body to replicate).

If I suspect correctly, you'll say environment and our own biology is the cause, leading you to the conclusion anyone who gets sick is doing so because they lead unnatural lives (gays and HIV) or because of biological differences (blacks and sickle cell disease) or because they're old and overweight (COVID).

It's just a textbook for being prejudiced and ignorant, dressed up as science. Unlike Flat Earth Theory this stuff is dangerous.

dunes runner wrote:

dunes runner wrote:

You can actually see obese people and fries though, so it's not like they don't exist.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Since you can't see microbes or viruses I guess they don't exist.

You're half right and half wrong. Microbes can be seen.

There are 10x as many microbes in the body as human cells, microbes that are vital to the life of humans.

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Viruses cannot be seen and are an entirely theoretical concept, i.e. the fraudulent germ theory of diseases.

Uhh, we can see viruses. It's how coronaviruses got their name. Mein Gott.

p. n. wrote:

We will *not* be getting "back to normal" until the virus is under control. We could have it under control (not eliminated, but under control) by Hallowe'en, even without a vaccine, if *all* Americans washed hands, wore masks, kept their distance, avoided indoor gatherings, and got tested (and, if infected, provided contact info to public health authorities).

Seems apropos:

dunes runner wrote:

But it's more contagious than an invisible virus that has never been proven to exist, which is therefore not contagious and has never killed anyone.

You quote from idiots like David Icke, and Kaufman...you know what that makes you seem like , do you.

They quote standards from Koch and Rivers dated 1884 and 1937...you do know that Watson and Crick only discovered the DNA helix in the 50's and we can now determine the RNA sequence of the virus, without it being visible.

But assuming you don't, perhaps you also think that oxygen doesn't exist, because we haven't seen it yet

I am Sam wrote:

we can now determine the RNA sequence of the virus, without it being visible,

That pretty much sums up the whole issue.

Problem is biology and environment are the causes of illness. Your own genetic predisposition and doing things you shouldn’t. Things you shouldn’t also is vague but there are health taboos for sure. Don’t eat spoiled food for example. So saying HIV is not predominantly caught from environmental/behavioral choices is wrong.

Max Knoll wrote:

dunes runner wrote:

You're half right and half wrong. Microbes can be seen.

There are 10x as many microbes in the body as human cells, microbes that are vital to the life of humans.

/

Viruses cannot be seen and are an entirely theoretical concept, i.e. the fraudulent germ theory of diseases.

Uhh, we can see viruses. It's how coronaviruses got their name. Mein Gott.

I see moderators here are quite happy with the promotion of every kind of dangerous ignorance but not calling it out, as such posts will be deleted. The posturing of "free speech" - feel free to agree with the views of the mods.

Max Knoll wrote:

dunes runner wrote:

You're half right and half wrong. Microbes can be seen.

There are 10x as many microbes in the body as human cells, microbes that are vital to the life of humans.

/

Viruses cannot be seen and are an entirely theoretical concept, i.e. the fraudulent germ theory of diseases.

Uhh, we can see viruses. It's how coronaviruses got their name. Mein Gott.

ok, I'll bite.

You cant see viruses. You 'see' a visual interpretation of what scientists have decided should be represented by the output of a scanning electron microscope.

Of course the whole stuff about viruses is a theory. So is the 'observed' behaviour of wave / particle duality.

However, both in the visual output of a SEM, and in the totality of virus theory, its all a pretty damned good fit and almost ideal and consistent interpretation of observations.

I certainly believe in the output interpretation of SEM representing 'seen' viruses, and also in virus theory.

I also believe that Newton's so called Laws do not fit every observation - especially as one approaches the speed of light.

I don't think you've grasped the madness of anti- germ theorists (and that's probably a good thing).

It's not that they think lifestyle doesn't affect what illnesses you're exposed to. It's that they think viruses don't exist and bacteria doesn't cause sickness.

They think lifestyle or your own biology is the root of illness. Therefore anyone with AIDS hasn't got the HIV virus but is doing something that is disruptive to their own biology. This explains why they think COVID is a hoax and all the people dying are dying of other things like obesity or age.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Max Knoll wrote:

Uhh, we can see viruses. It's how coronaviruses got their name. Mein Gott.

I see moderators here are quite happy with the promotion of every kind of dangerous ignorance but not calling it out, as such posts will be deleted. The posturing of "free speech" - feel free to agree with the views of the mods.

Maybe learn to be civil, old man.