Joe Klecker Sub 4 at altitude?! 3:58.4

Onnnnn wrote:

In the same story it says Oliver Hoare went 3:56. Is that true?

That would convert to about a 3:48 mile. Looks like Hoare has reached another level.

See Pueblo, CO wrote:

not lack of talent wrote:

The NCAA conversion of a 4:00 mile run in Pueblo is 3:55.18 at sea level. There is a reason no one has run sub 4 in Colorado.

I do not care what someone's conversion chart states. Have you run in Pueblo? Fly into Denver. Rent a car. Run in Denver for a few days. Drive south on I-25. Run in Colorado Springs for a few days. Then drive a bit further south on I-25 to Pueblo. Trust me, one to three seconds slower for your mile in Pueblo. If a person were to fly from Chicago to Pueblo and not give yourself six or seven days, then your charts may be correct, if you do what I stated ... . Try it.

Yes, I’ve actually run in Pueblo and no I don’t trust you. I think 4.72 seconds is more reasonable than some number you pulled out if your ass. I do agree with the other posters that the real reason is that enough sub 3:55 quality runners haven’t been in a race in CO. No one is going to CO chasing a fast time even if there was an appropriate meet.

YMMV wrote:

It looks like Kerr might have solid competition to make the UK team next year.

Neither of these guys are British, dumb dumb

See Pueblo, CO wrote:

not lack of talent wrote:

The NCAA conversion of a 4:00 mile run in Pueblo is 3:55.18 at sea level. There is a reason no one has run sub 4 in Colorado.

I do not care what someone's conversion chart states. Have you run in Pueblo? Fly into Denver. Rent a car. Run in Denver for a few days. Drive south on I-25. Run in Colorado Springs for a few days. Then drive a bit further south on I-25 to Pueblo. Trust me, one to three seconds slower for your mile in Pueblo. If a person were to fly from Chicago to Pueblo and not give yourself six or seven days, then your charts may be correct, if you do what I stated ... . Try it.

You don't know altitude.

I have run in Pueblo, and set the age group state age group record for 3000m (a pedestrian 10:34)--by your predictions the sea level equivalents for 10K and 15K would be 38 and 58 or 59. That year (within a month or two of the 3000 I ran 35:45 and 55:30.

See Pueblo, CO wrote:

not lack of talent wrote:

Guessing you have never raced at 5000ft.

Pueblo, CO is less than 4700 ft. elevation. It almost feels like not at elevation at all there. 1500m/one mile is not a Marathon. I would imagine maximizing one's one mile at Pueblo, CO would make a miler (1.5 to 3) seconds slower than sea level one mile best.

4700 feet does not feel like “almost no elevation at all”.

seasoned ranker wrote:

YMMV wrote:

It looks like Kerr might have solid competition to make the UK team next year.

Neither of these guys are British, dumb dumb

YMMV wrote:

seasoned ranker wrote:

Neither of these guys are British, dumb dumb

https://www.heraldscotland.com/resources/images/10507114.jpg?display=1&htype=0&type=responsive-gallery

not forgetting gricey either... or o'hare. brits have the strongest 1500m team and depth in the world - barring maybe kenya if they produce a third 1500m talent

YMMV wrote:

seasoned ranker wrote:

Neither of these guys are British, dumb dumb

https://www.heraldscotland.com/resources/images/10507114.jpg?display=1&htype=0&type=responsive-gallery

Neither Hoare nor Klecker are in that photo.

sywuhsnzowjsjz wrote:

YMMV wrote:

It looks like Kerr might have solid competition to make the UK team next year.

From who? Klecker is American. Hoare is Australian. Please research before you post something like this. It takes 30 seconds or less to Google Hoare to find out he isn’t British, he’s Australian.

You’re talking to the guy who posts YouTube videos as facts. This is par for the course.

Outside of CU hosting a conference championship there aren't many high level track meets in the state. If any.

And when CU has hosted a Big8/12/PAC-12 meet they are running a 1500.

Runner10287 wrote:

Outside of CU hosting a conference championship there aren't many high level track meets in the state. If any.

And when CU has hosted a Big8/12/PAC-12 meet they are running a 1500.

Not for the lack of trying.

Mark Roberts, XC and track coach at Lyons High School and meet director for the St. Vrain Invitational track and field meet, has for the last several years offered big-time money (I believe $10,000 in 2019) for The first sub-4 in Colorado...and still no one was able to accomplish it. Despite the money, it never attracted a stellar field to take a crack at it. Granted, the meet is held in late April/early May, which the weather can be fickle at the time in Colorado.

This result is the #2 reason why everyone would want to trade places with Hoare at this moment.

#1 of course being pulling RM

seasoned ranker wrote:

YMMV wrote:

https://www.heraldscotland.com/resources/images/10507114.jpg?display=1&htype=0&type=responsive-gallery

Neither Hoare nor Klecker are in that photo.

the above posters are well ware of this...

600mRunner wrote:

seasoned ranker wrote:

Neither Hoare nor Klecker are in that photo.

the above posters are well ware of this...

He said, on a thread about Hoare and Klecker’s mile performances, that “it looks like Kerr might have solid competition to make the U.K. team next year.”

Just for the records wrote:

sywuhsnzowjsjz wrote:

From who? Klecker is American. Hoare is Australian. Please research before you post something like this. It takes 30 seconds or less to Google Hoare to find out he isn’t British, he’s Australian.

But if you google hoare it almost seems illegal.

Underrated post.

His statement was accurate.

What do Hoare and Klecker's miles have to do with the UK team?

YMMV wrote:

It looks like Kerr might have solid competition to make the UK team next year.

Woof, an embarrassing comment for this thread.

hit the dusty trail wrote:

This result is the #2 reason why everyone would want to trade places with Hoare at this moment.

#1 of course being pulling RM

Living up to his surname's homonym