Joe Klecker Sub 4 at altitude?! 3:58.4

I wouldn’t be surprised. Judging by klecker’s strava he is in great shape.

In the same story it says Oliver Hoare went 3:56. Is that true?

Video, results, FAT?

Wait, how did no one ever break 4 in Colorado of all places? Like we got it done in Alaska first?

??????? wrote:

Wait, how did no one ever break 4 in Colorado of all places? Like we got it done in Alaska first?

Guessing you have never raced at 5000ft.

Well I am surely not alone in being a member of the Mile High Club?

not lack of talent wrote:

??????? wrote:

Wait, how did no one ever break 4 in Colorado of all places? Like we got it done in Alaska first?

Guessing you have never raced at 5000ft.

Pueblo, CO is less than 4700 ft. elevation. It almost feels like not at elevation at all there. 1500m/one mile is not a Marathon. I would imagine maximizing one's one mile at Pueblo, CO would make a miler (1.5 to 3) seconds slower than sea level one mile best.

See Pueblo, CO wrote:

not lack of talent wrote:

Guessing you have never raced at 5000ft.

Pueblo, CO is less than 4700 ft. elevation. It almost feels like not at elevation at all there. 1500m/one mile is not a Marathon. I would imagine maximizing one's one mile at Pueblo, CO would make a miler (1.5 to 3) seconds slower than sea level one mile best.

The NCAA conversion of a 4:00 mile run in Pueblo is 3:55.18 at sea level. There is a reason no one has run sub 4 in Colorado.

It looks like Kerr might have solid competition to make the UK team next year.

??????? wrote:

Wait, how did no one ever break 4 in Colorado of all places? Like we got it done in Alaska first?

Because the lowest point ANYWHERE in Colorado is around 3,100 feet of elevation.

not lack of talent wrote:

See Pueblo, CO wrote:

Pueblo, CO is less than 4700 ft. elevation. It almost feels like not at elevation at all there. 1500m/one mile is not a Marathon. I would imagine maximizing one's one mile at Pueblo, CO would make a miler (1.5 to 3) seconds slower than sea level one mile best.

The NCAA conversion of a 4:00 mile run in Pueblo is 3:55.18 at sea level. There is a reason no one has run sub 4 in Colorado.

I do not care what someone's conversion chart states. Have you run in Pueblo? Fly into Denver. Rent a car. Run in Denver for a few days. Drive south on I-25. Run in Colorado Springs for a few days. Then drive a bit further south on I-25 to Pueblo. Trust me, one to three seconds slower for your mile in Pueblo. If a person were to fly from Chicago to Pueblo and not give yourself six or seven days, then your charts may be correct, if you do what I stated ... . Try it.

More fake news? If it's a time trial, it's not a record.

Plus, did he use CheaterFlyes?

See Pueblo, CO wrote:

not lack of talent wrote:

The NCAA conversion of a 4:00 mile run in Pueblo is 3:55.18 at sea level. There is a reason no one has run sub 4 in Colorado.

I do not care what someone's conversion chart states. Have you run in Pueblo? Fly into Denver. Rent a car. Run in Denver for a few days. Drive south on I-25. Run in Colorado Springs for a few days. Then drive a bit further south on I-25 to Pueblo. Trust me, one to three seconds slower for your mile in Pueblo. If a person were to fly from Chicago to Pueblo and not give yourself six or seven days, then your charts may be correct, if you do what I stated ... . Try it.

Let's just decide for the sake of argument that the NCAA conversion is correct: 5 seconds.

The american record is 3:46. Obviously that is rarified air, but there are a handful of american guys every year running 3:50 to 3:52.

So every year there are multiple guys capable of banging out way under 4 minutes in colorado. 3:55 to 3:57 should be possible by an entire race of guys any given year.

The only reason there hasn't been a sub 4 in colorado isn't because it is a high altitude state, it is because there hasn't been a big race there with a mile. If there was, somebody would smash it. This season is weird, with no meets to go to, so these fake meets get created and little footnotes records like this get broken.

Leo Manzano ran 3:41 in colorado while a senior in college (2008). His seasons best that year was 3:36. So 5 seconds doesn't seem outrageous, although when he ran that 3:41, he wasn't peaking, so 3 seconds might be a better guess.

So anyway, it's a bit like bragging you're the first one to run sub 4 on a specific track. Its cool, i guess, but the main reason nobody has done it is because nobody has had occasion to run it.

I suspect Joe Klecker will have much more significant moments in his career than this. I hope this isn't his career peak :)

Where in CO? Maybe Colorado Springs which is about 6000ft. elevation. Pueblo, CO ranges mostly from 4450 to 4675 ft. Obese 350 pound pro & college football players can manage to survive just fine playing in Denver at app. 5100 ft. (185 to 285) pound pro and college basketball players survive playing in Denver. I surely doubt Manzano participated at a meet at N.C.A.A. D-2 Colorado State-Pueblo. If there were big track meets at CO St.-Pueblo, there would be decent 1500m performances there.

See Pueblo, CO wrote:

Where in CO? Maybe Colorado Springs which is about 6000ft. elevation. Pueblo, CO ranges mostly from 4450 to 4675 ft. Obese 350 pound pro & college football players can manage to survive just fine playing in Denver at app. 5100 ft. (185 to 285) pound pro and college basketball players survive playing in Denver. I surely doubt Manzano participated at a meet at N.C.A.A. D-2 Colorado State-Pueblo. If there were big track meets at CO St.-Pueblo, there would be decent 1500m performances there.

At Boulder. So 5200 feet. No idea if it was a fast race or a kicking race, etc.

The list is current as of a few years ago, doesn't have the last few years of results in it.

My point was that even "if" the 5 seconds handicap was accurate, it still remains that lots of runners could crush 4 minutes in colorado. The reason they hadn't yet is because there just isn't any big meets there. There are a few college meets, but they tend to run at least somewhat tactical. People currently have nothing to do, so they might as well chase obscure records.

YMMV wrote:

It looks like Kerr might have solid competition to make the UK team next year.

From who? Klecker is American. Hoare is Australian. Please research before you post something like this. It takes 30 seconds or less to Google Hoare to find out he isn’t British, he’s Australian.

Aren't there some sea level states with no sub 4s? Saying elevation is the only reason makes it sound like it would happen every weekend otherwise.

But Kerr will have solid competition to make the UK team.