david45 wrote:
I just did an easy run today outside instead of in my yard. I ran for 50 minutes at a pace of 11:23 minutes per mile with a heart beat of 154 BPM. Why is my easy run so slow relative to my actual mile race pace?
Too easy
david45 wrote:
I just did an easy run today outside instead of in my yard. I ran for 50 minutes at a pace of 11:23 minutes per mile with a heart beat of 154 BPM. Why is my easy run so slow relative to my actual mile race pace?
Too easy
elvid32 wrote:
david45 wrote:
I just did an easy run today outside instead of in my yard. I ran for 50 minutes at a pace of 11:23 minutes per mile with a heart beat of 154 BPM. Why is my easy run so slow relative to my actual mile race pace?
Too easy
No. Your easy run pace should be around 150 BPM. In addition, when I ran outside today, I can feel a ton of stress and pain in my lower legs compared to just running loops in my backyard.
david45 wrote:
elvid32 wrote:
Too easy
No. Your easy run pace should be around 150 BPM. In addition, when I ran outside today, I can feel a ton of stress and pain in my lower legs compared to just running loops in my backyard.
Welp, you are the expert.
If you were unfit, then you would have no easy pace that you could run.
Don’t listen to someone like me though. Remember that you are the expert, and remember how much progress you have made because of your expertise.
david45 wrote:
donuts wrote:
How did you get into UCLA? I just read that thread, and that's not the take-away you should have gotten from those responses. Most probably thought you were joking, or doing a one time thing.
Kvothe says "It depends on the size of the yard and your goals. Easy run - little difference in effect. Workout big difference in effect. Unless you have a giant yard."
You get some benefit from running in a yard, the training you did was the training you did. You just would have been able to achieve a lot more on a bigger course.
When I lived on the east coast, I finished runs with a couple mind numblingly boring runs around my backyard a handful of times (thats like 5 times in 10 years) due to the roads being super icy.
I didn't realized you lived in Southern California, where properties are not very big. When someone asks a question like this, I expect that there backyard is pretty big - think a few acres in the country and if not, it would be something they wouldn't do more than a few times before being so mind numbingly bored they'd start running on the roads like would be typical.
(large) Farms or big properties in the country - you can run around with little harm to your body or training. Average size or small properties - not so much.
I think we can say now that you must have a lot of mental fortitude, which will help you grind through some tough miles later on in your running career, when you are ready to pick up the volume.
thiscupisnthaflfull wrote:
You said your yard is 2 car lengths wide. That's the info you should've provided in the first place, then Kvothe probably would have given you a different answer. That's puny, probably even for suburb standards.
I would have given a different answer for a yard of that size or even if he stated he lived in the suburbs of a SoCal city. Or maybe I would have thought the question was so asinine that I'd have replied flippantly like, "the training is only effective once you've covered a marathon in distance."
I thought it would be common sense, that you'd need several acres to contemplate running in your yard.
I'm struggling to believe we all aren't being trolled, but trying to be helpful nonetheless. I half expect David to reveal he's actual an average hs or college runner and we've received one of the greatest trollings in letsrun history. That's how crazy it is to me that someone would train solely in a yard the likes of what David describes.
I'll take David on his word though and say that once he can attend training organized by the UCLA running club or San Diego track club, if its going to be a while before he can set foot on campus, he absolutely should. I think he has a lot to learn from training with others.
You assumed the average person has acres of space available in their backyard? Are you crazy?
I wish I was an average hs or college runner. Unfortunately, I am not.
I assumed the person with the average yard would never contemplate doing more than strides in it.
Look man, I've lived in SoCal, a medium size city on the east coast, the DC suburbs, and rural areas on the east coast. I've seen farms and big properties that I would kill to run around, mostly in the rural areas, and I've seen neighborhoods so depressing I wouldn't run in them at all, let alone in a yard in one.
I believe my initial post you're referring to had some qualifiers about size of the property.
You'll be alright, you can move forward and see some big improvements in the fall.
Now for your leg issues on the road, I'd typically say they'd go away after you readjust to running on the road, but lets check some basics frist:
A) What shoes are you training in?
B) Are you running on roads or sidewalks? How much percentage of your running on each?
C) Do you have access to any relatively smooth trails (ie not rocky, not rooty) of a dirt or wood chip surface?
A) This:
https://www.amazon.com/Tanjun-empeines-textiles-transpirables-amortiguaci%C3%B3n/dp/B00XWQ1LX4/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=nike%2Brunning%2Bshoes%2Bmen&qid=1596504690&sr=8-4&th=1B) Running on the sidewalk 100%
C) Not anywhere close to me.
Maybe you ran less than a mile
runnerkid wrote:
Maybe you ran less than a mile
No. The same apple watch I used for my easy runs were used during the time trial. I also confirmed the distance on google earth. I did run one mile during my time trial.
david45 wrote:
runnerkid wrote:
Maybe you ran less than a mile
No. The same apple watch I used for my easy runs were used during the time trial. I also confirmed the distance on google earth. I did run one mile during my time trial.
Was it downhill?
ele wrote:
david45 wrote:
No. The same apple watch I used for my easy runs were used during the time trial. I also confirmed the distance on google earth. I did run one mile during my time trial.
Was it downhill?
No. It was a loop in my neighborhood.
Alright. Try to mix sidewalk and road running. I haven't seen everywhere in San Diego County, but most areas I've seen have bikepaths along the road. You can get off the sidewalk and run in these, just hop back on the sidewalk to avoid bikers, turning cars, etc. When running in neighborhoods, at least when the traffic isn't high at rush hour, you should be able to run on the road, and just hop on the sidewalks to avoid cars. The asphalt road is just a bit more forgiving than the concrete sidewalk, so over time it will be less pounding on your legs, less force pushing back on you.
I think over time, this will help with your injury issues some. When you get to UCLA, the guys on the club team, or even other runners on campus can hopefully point you to some soft surfaces to train on.
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