Is just running in your backyard bad?

david45 wrote:

fakenewspaper wrote:

You’re not running five miles in a yard that’s 15m wide, assuming it is shorter than wide. If you are doing that, based on advice from a message board poster who has never seen your yard, you are even dumber than previously thought.

How am I dumb? I was running at a heart rate of 150 BPM. I assumed since that was my easy pace and given that my mile time is 6:51, my easy run pace in my backyard should be 10 minutes per mile.

Once again, terrible reading comprehension. The reference to your stupidity was in regards to taking a message board poster's advice on whether or not to run in a tiny yard.

donuts wrote:

david45 wrote:

I was running for 50 minutes. I assumed I was running at a 10 minute per mile pace.

I guarantee you weren't running 10 minute mile pace in your yard - especially if your 20 minute tempo on the street was 9:45 pace. They were probably more like 15 minute miles considering you have to turn tightly constantly. Your "5 mile" runs were probably more like 5 km runs.

Then how did I break the 7 minute mile barrier even though my tempo pace was at 9:45?

david45 wrote:

donuts wrote:

I guarantee you weren't running 10 minute mile pace in your yard - especially if your 20 minute tempo on the street was 9:45 pace. They were probably more like 15 minute miles considering you have to turn tightly constantly. Your "5 mile" runs were probably more like 5 km runs.

Then how did I break the 7 minute mile barrier even though my tempo pace was at 9:45?

Time to make the donuts!!

Swerving wrote:

david45 wrote:

Then how did I break the 7 minute mile barrier even though my tempo pace was at 9:45?

Time to make the donuts!!

No. If I could run a mile in 6:51 minutes, I shouldn't be so slow in the tempo run.

david45 wrote:

Swerving wrote:

Time to make the donuts!!

No. If I could run a mile in 6:51 minutes, I shouldn't be so slow in the tempo run.

It's tiiiiiime to make the donuts!

david45 wrote:

donuts wrote:

I guarantee you weren't running 10 minute mile pace in your yard - especially if your 20 minute tempo on the street was 9:45 pace. They were probably more like 15 minute miles considering you have to turn tightly constantly. Your "5 mile" runs were probably more like 5 km runs.

Then how did I break the 7 minute mile barrier even though my tempo pace was at 9:45?

You're still getting 50 minutes of jogging 6 days a week. That's something. Also, I expected you to PR if you actually made an attempt, and you did.

By the way, you took my hint to time trial a mile that day you ran under 7. Just a few hours before that, I asked you, "When are you planning to break 7:00?" I was considering just suggesting out loud that you go outside later that day and time trial a mile, since I thought you could break 7:00. But a hint was enough, so good on you.

donuts wrote:

david45 wrote:

Then how did I break the 7 minute mile barrier even though my tempo pace was at 9:45?

You're still getting 50 minutes of jogging 6 days a week. That's something. Also, I expected you to PR if you actually made an attempt, and you did.

By the way, you took my hint to time trial a mile that day you ran under 7. Just a few hours before that, I asked you, "When are you planning to break 7:00?" I was considering just suggesting out loud that you go outside later that day and time trial a mile, since I thought you could break 7:00. But a hint was enough, so good on you.

https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=10120118https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=10120477

But my tempo run pace is completely different from my mile pace.

So what? It's just one run. Improve on that and you'll have progress.

So it doesn't make a difference if I run my easy runs in my backyard or in the streets?

That run happened a day ago. It’s time to move on and focus on the next steps. First of all, it could have been an off day. Even the fastest have off days. Also, didn’t you say you estimated your pace in the backyard was 10 minute pace? Maybe it was more like 12 and that 9 minute pace felt like a tempo for you.

Have you worn a trail that is digging into the earth? If so, it is a bad thing.

david45 wrote:

Swerving wrote:

Time to make the donuts!!

No. If I could run a mile in 6:51 minutes, I shouldn't be so slow in the tempo run.

You are correct. Try it again.

highschoolrunner22 wrote:

That run happened a day ago. It’s time to move on and focus on the next steps. First of all, it could have been an off day. Even the fastest have off days. Also, didn’t you say you estimated your pace in the backyard was 10 minute pace? Maybe it was more like 12 and that 9 minute pace felt like a tempo for you.

If 9 minute pace feels like a tempo for me, how was it possible for me to run a 6:51 mile?

david45 wrote:

highschoolrunner22 wrote:

That run happened a day ago. It’s time to move on and focus on the next steps. First of all, it could have been an off day. Even the fastest have off days. Also, didn’t you say you estimated your pace in the backyard was 10 minute pace? Maybe it was more like 12 and that 9 minute pace felt like a tempo for you.

If 9 minute pace feels like a tempo for me, how was it possible for me to run a 6:51 mile?

Why do you think that you know what tempo pace feels like?

david45 wrote:

So it doesn't make a difference if I run my easy runs in my backyard or in the streets?

I didn't say that. I did suggest at some point just doing easy runs for a while until your legs get stronger, since the higher forces involved in running faster were causing pains (and forced days off?). But I didn't imagine you'd do all of it in a small back yard. Even so, I was right that you could improve just by doing easy miles consistently. But you would improve more on the streets or trails or track where you can run as fast as you feel like instead of needing to slow while doing tight loops. Why can't you make the observation yourself? Don't you have any common sense? Did you watch too many dudes running around their couches in the Quarantine Backyard Ultra?

elvid32 wrote:

david45 wrote:

If 9 minute pace feels like a tempo for me, how was it possible for me to run a 6:51 mile?

Why do you think that you know what tempo pace feels like?

By heart rate was around 165-170 during the run

david45 wrote:

elvid32 wrote:

Why do you think that you know what tempo pace feels like?

By heart rate was around 165-170 during the run

That doesn’t matter and may be inaccurate, especially if you are young. Although, if you’re 45, you may have a point.

donuts wrote:

david45 wrote:

So it doesn't make a difference if I run my easy runs in my backyard or in the streets?

I didn't say that. I did suggest at some point just doing easy runs for a while until your legs get stronger, since the higher forces involved in running faster were causing pains (and forced days off?). But I didn't imagine you'd do all of it in a small back yard. Even so, I was right that you could improve just by doing easy miles consistently. But you would improve more on the streets or trails or track where you can run as fast as you feel like instead of needing to slow while doing tight loops. Why can't you make the observation yourself? Don't you have any common sense? Did you watch too many dudes running around their couches in the Quarantine Backyard Ultra?

David, I don’t think it makes any difference where you log the miles. I used to do runs in my yard all the time and it wasn’t much bigger than yours, maybe 50 feet across and 15 feet back.

When my daughter was born I would do nearly daily 10 milers back there because I didn’t have a treadmill and had to be near my daughter if my wife wasn’t around at the time. After a short while you get used to the monotony and it’s really no big deal. I ran between 60-80 miles per week on that loop, alternating directions by day. Had a nice worn track back there.

Always figured my neighbors thought I was a wackadoo.

I just did an easy run today outside instead of in my yard. I ran for 50 minutes at a pace of 11:23 minutes per mile with a heart beat of 154 BPM. Why is my easy run so slow relative to my actual mile race pace?