Reekie, who ran 1:57.91 indoors, got her first sub-2 outdoors yesterday in Italy and also earned a win over her training partner Laura Muir
https://twitter.com/Queenatletica/status/1289616070072967168
Reekie, who ran 1:57.91 indoors, got her first sub-2 outdoors yesterday in Italy and also earned a win over her training partner Laura Muir
https://twitter.com/Queenatletica/status/1289616070072967168
Muir was badly positioned, otherwise she could have won it, I think. But a good race overall, with Büchel running her best time in several years.
These girls need to move up in distance. Also, Reekie has Muir's number head to head. Interesting.
Was is it in Italy or in Italy?
Sapel wrote:
These girls need to move up in distance. Also, Reekie has Muir's number head to head. Interesting.
I mean, do they? Muir is a 3:55 runner but is on the outside looking in with medals. Reekie can do 1:57 *indoor* in the 800m. The 800m is a crapshoot right now. If they execute a championship perfectly they would be great shouts at a medal. As long as Hassan is top dog, she isn't racing champs slowly and giving slower runners with great kicks (e.g. Muir) have a shot at her. If they executed a perfect 1500m they could quite reasonably not even be top 5 through no fault of their own (Hassan, Dibaba, Kipyegon, Tseguy, Houlihan all gone sub 3:55).
another one... wrote:
Sapel wrote:
These girls need to move up in distance. Also, Reekie has Muir's number head to head. Interesting.
I mean, do they? Muir is a 3:55 runner but is on the outside looking in with medals. Reekie can do 1:57 *indoor* in the 800m. The 800m is a crapshoot right now. If they execute a championship perfectly they would be great shouts at a medal. As long as Hassan is top dog, she isn't racing champs slowly and giving slower runners with great kicks (e.g. Muir) have a shot at her. If they executed a perfect 1500m they could quite reasonably not even be top 5 through no fault of their own (Hassan, Dibaba, Kipyegon, Tseguy, Houlihan all gone sub 3:55).
I'm quite sure Muir is capable of a 3:53.
Where was it?
I think the point is that they look like they are running in quicksand. They are army the limit of Caucasian 800m ability. No speed whatsoever and explains why they race the 1500m. They remind me of American Nick Symmonds as he would be 20m down on the field in the first 150m.
600mRunner wrote:
another one... wrote:
I mean, do they? Muir is a 3:55 runner but is on the outside looking in with medals. Reekie can do 1:57 *indoor* in the 800m. The 800m is a crapshoot right now. If they execute a championship perfectly they would be great shouts at a medal. As long as Hassan is top dog, she isn't racing champs slowly and giving slower runners with great kicks (e.g. Muir) have a shot at her. If they executed a perfect 1500m they could quite reasonably not even be top 5 through no fault of their own (Hassan, Dibaba, Kipyegon, Tseguy, Houlihan all gone sub 3:55).
I'm quite sure Muir is capable of a 3:53.
What makes you so confident in this? Seems to be a solid 3:56 person.
What happened to the first 500 metres?
Fake news?
fjn wrote:
I think the point is that they look like they are running in quicksand. They are army the limit of Caucasian 800m ability. No speed whatsoever and explains why they race the 1500m. They remind me of American Nick Symmonds as he would be 20m down on the field in the first 150m.
Yes, it is the limit of Caucasian 800 ability. Have so little speed that they only have the WR.
Muir needs to train in the US. Then she might expect to make some of the big "post-Covid" jumps in performance occurring there. Carving chunks off pr's is nothing these days Stateside.
She ran 3.55 last year and missed about 2 months of the middle of the season. Stands to reason that with good winter and solid spring/summer she gets better than her PR from 3-4 years back
Muir is capable of running faster. Will she? I don't know. You need everything to break right. Unless you're on some PEDs. Everyone here is forgetting how absolutely ridiculous Hassan's entire year was. End of 2018 racing low 65 minute half and then the next year running 3:51 off of a really slow first 200 on top of winning the 10000 in your first ever attempt. This is like Ayana all over again, clearly a dirty performance but many don't want to acknowledge it. As it was pointed out in the broadcast Hassan does not look comfortable at all running anything over 3000m until the last lap or two. She's very upright and kind of shuffles until she picks it up at the end. It's not easy to watch either for the most part.
Muir is the only one of the top 7 who didn't PB in the Doha race (and several of these PBs were around 3 secs! improvements) Of course she did have the best mark going into the race and was not at her best shape in Doha, so I'd say she is the most likely (probably the only one) of these 7 to improve on the Doha performance. And the 1500 pretty clearly seems her best event.
600mRunner wrote:
another one... wrote:
I mean, do they? Muir is a 3:55 runner but is on the outside looking in with medals. Reekie can do 1:57 *indoor* in the 800m. The 800m is a crapshoot right now. If they execute a championship perfectly they would be great shouts at a medal. As long as Hassan is top dog, she isn't racing champs slowly and giving slower runners with great kicks (e.g. Muir) have a shot at her. If they executed a perfect 1500m they could quite reasonably not even be top 5 through no fault of their own (Hassan, Dibaba, Kipyegon, Tseguy, Houlihan all gone sub 3:55).
I'm quite sure Muir is capable of a 3:53.
Muir would already have a medal from the last Worlds had she not been racing against an athlete (Semenya) who is now banned from that event.
fjn wrote:
I think the point is that they look like they are running in quicksand. They are army the limit of Caucasian 800m ability. No speed whatsoever and explains why they race the 1500m. They remind me of American Nick Symmonds as he would be 20m down on the field in the first 150m.
I mean... okay. Jemma posted the fastest 800m indoor time in 15 years in February and the all time list ahead of her is mostly East Germans and 2000s era Russians. She isn't slow.
And RE: Jo72 and everyone else - I was just responding to the point saying "they *need* to move up in distance." I'm just pointing out that given how stacked the 1500 is and how the major talent in the 800m is extremely inconsistent right now, if both runners could get into peak form they still might have better shots at the 8 than the 15.
Frankly if I'm Andy Young I'd be targeting the double. Particularly for Jemma.
The 800m women will probably need another year or two to recover from many years of domination by Semenya et al. One reason why the 1500m is so stacked is that for several years everyone who was good at both, didn't bother with the 800m (regardless of skin color).
As for the stupid racist remark, further above, if one scratches Semenya and Niyonsaba from last year's top 10, it is 6 colored and 4 white women; so while all the medals in Doha went to the former group, it is not a clear domination. (In the last olympics, the first three were those who are banned now from competing and 4-6 were white).