Floyd Landis now runs a CBD oil business in rural PA, talks about Lance's recent comments about him

CancelLRC wrote:

His CBD business is Floyd's of Leadville, so I believe he's out in Colorado, not PA. He grew up in PA. I believe OP had details mixed up. AFAIK, the CBD business is successful.

Sounds like the bussiness is still based in Leadville but they have production in Lancaster. Amazing you can sell so much stuff where pretty much all the studies (well assuming you don't have eplisipsey) are borderline at best. But that is supplement game and has been for at least 30 years.

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Lance is like twitching with anger or some neurotic pain when he spites Floyd.

Floyd seems like a chill dude and his response seems reasonable.

paul72 wrote:

PTF wrote:

Man...Lance just refuses to redeem himself. Obvious that when he talks of Floyd Landis he's projecting. So sad.

Good to see Floyd moving on and doing OK.

agree-Lance is just bitter that Landis (among others) ratted him out and that 30 for 30 just confirmed that...in the game of life good things happen to good people as for the others...

I suspect that Lance's continuing bitterness toward Floyd has a lot more to do with the fact that Lance had to pay Landis several million dollars as part of his litigation settlement with the government. Guess where Floyd got the $$ to start his CBD business?

Ironic how Lance calls Landis the POS when he himself is the POS. These guys admitted the truth. Lance tried to ruin anyone who told the truth and is still doing so to this day, apparently. Still the huge ego and still the person that cannot look in the mirror and point a finger at himself for any wrong doing. Always was and always will be a far bigger POS than anyone else in cycling.

I enjoyed the 30 for 30 and left it w/2 conclusions:

1) With or w/o the juice, Lance is arguably the greatest cyclist of all time;

2) With or w/o the juice, Lance is a 1st class Adam Henry - amongst the all time greatest in sports' history perhaps.

Floyd is/was neither of these and seemed tolerant of Lance's hate.

Lance could barely finish a TDF without the juice. He had the most sophisticated doping regime money could buy. Drugs give some more of a benefit than others. I doubt Lance, sans drugs, is anywhere near the top. Not even the top American.

bike racing law guy wrote:

paul72 wrote:

agree-Lance is just bitter that Landis (among others) ratted him out and that 30 for 30 just confirmed that...in the game of life good things happen to good people as for the others...

I suspect that Lance's continuing bitterness toward Floyd has a lot more to do with the fact that Lance had to pay Landis several million dollars as part of his litigation settlement with the government. Guess where Floyd got the $$ to start his CBD business?

Don't think it was "several" mill but yes, wasn't it 1.5ish to Floyd, which = about 750K after taxes. Most would say should've been more? And yes, had to hurt Lance's ego to write that check. Wonder how many other lives he ruined during his dictatorship that got nada $. That's gotta be a very long list.

odelltrclan wrote:

Lance could barely finish a TDF without the juice. He had the most sophisticated doping regime money could buy. Drugs give some more of a benefit than others. I doubt Lance, sans drugs, is anywhere near the top. Not even the top American.

I might buy that argument if Lance was the only one doping. But ...

Also - juice did nothing to improve these instincts ...

odelltrclan wrote:

Lance could barely finish a TDF without the juice. He had the most sophisticated doping regime money could buy. Drugs give some more of a benefit than others. I doubt Lance, sans drugs, is anywhere near the top. Not even the top American.

Nobody in those years finished the TDF without doping.

Lance was better at doping than others, but he was also better at everything else. Better talent, team, strategy, determination... Without doping he loses one advantage against the guys who were doping not quite as well as he was. So he probably doesn't win 7 without doping, but he might win one or more. Or without the cancer and the doping he stays like a Peter Sagan and wins a lot of stuff but not a grand tour. But if he lost the weight and went after a grand tour, everyone would agree that he had the talent to win.

He was the NEXT GREAT ONE since he was a teen. Everybody said they had never seen a talent like him. In a way, it's a shame that the doping obscures a generational talent (like Marion Jones).

He got caught. String him up. I've got no problem with that. And he's a first-rate a-hole, Tyler Hamilton and Floyd Landis deserve better than Lance does. But without drugs, he's still among the greatest.

Yes, people did finish races. As a matter of fact, a young Greg Lemond finished 3rd in his first TDF, and 2nd in his 2nd, and likely could have won if he did not pledge his allegiance to Bernard Hinault. Without his hunting accident, he likely wins 5 or 6. Lemond was far more talented than Armstrong imo and without being the biggest ahole in the history of cycling

odelltrclan wrote:

Yes, people did finish races. As a matter of fact, a young Greg Lemond finished 3rd in his first TDF, and 2nd in his 2nd,

Lemond did not compete in the years that Lance won.

No shite, but it was mentioned he was the GOAT by someone. No way. So here is the deal, some guys have a much higher hematocrit level than others. Therefore, those people have a much lower benefit from EPO use because your values could no exceed a certain value or you are deemed to have been doing drugs. Lance could not even finish his first 2 or 3 tours, which leads me to believe his natural hematocrit levels were not high, nor his ability to recover. Hence, the cocktails of EPO and steroids. Furthermore, his VO2 max was good, but not near the levels of some riders nor close to LeMonds. So there is no telling what clean rider would win if they all did not dope because doping helps different riders differently based on factors listed above. He certainly had the will, the smarts, and other factors, but he also had more money and thus more teammates doped to the gills as well. I think he may have had a chance to win, but noone will ever know.

odelltrclan wrote:

Yes, people did finish races. As a matter of fact, a young Greg Lemond finished 3rd in his first TDF, and 2nd in his 2nd, and likely could have won if he did not pledge his allegiance to Bernard Hinault. Without his hunting accident, he likely wins 5 or 6. Lemond was far more talented than Armstrong imo and without being the biggest ahole in the history of cycling

And in that race was the pace being set by a bunch of blood dopers on EPO or was it just the more garden variety of cycling doping with steriods and cortisone shots?:)

Lemond was definitely an otherworldly talent. I would hesitate to say he was far more talented than armstrong. It is to hard to measure talent at that level...

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Gym Jordan.. wrote:

Has anyone tried his CBD product(s)?

yes, i actually like them a lot more than other products. one of the few CBD brands that i can actually feel.

Do someone know if nowadays is rentable to open a CBD business? Just askin'.

Eddie Merckx is the greatest cyclist of all time. Doped Lance is close, undoped who knows? Lance is a far bigger jerk than either Bernard Hinault or Mario Cippollini and Mario is in jail now.