on the streaming for the big friendly they said all the athletes had to pass 2 tests leading up to the races
on the streaming for the big friendly they said all the athletes had to pass 2 tests leading up to the races
The worst part is that they charge money to watch their races. This past Friday you had centro talking about video games for 20 minutes on the stream. I don't want to pay for that crap.
Yeah, a NR and a WR. Tragedy.
Mom and Shelby peaked when they ran their national record 5k times. All this other stuff is just the cherry on top to have a little fun at the end of a successful season.
And the relay nature of things is a bonding exercise for the team. The closer their bond, the more they trust and believe in each other, and the more they'll be able to push each other in training to reach even greater heights. Jerry is playing 4D chess while you're playing 2D checkers.
it could have potential wrote:
the BTC is taking precautions to keep themselves healthy
I agree with this.
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Not wearing masks and not social distancing is the best way to keep their strong immunities.
Say hello to Paulo wrote:
After leaving Ahmed in the lurch in the shape of his life and not setting up a 10k or even a 3k for him is a legit tragedy. So, your big plan was to run him at his peak in a 4x15 relay leg?
Houlihan is the same story. Peak shape squandered on some obscure relay and pace duties. Honestly, it’s borderline shameful.
I’ve defended the team in the past for under racing, avoiding meets, etc; but that stops now. No longer a fan of the BTC.
You take things that are none of your business way too seriously.
"borderline shameful" I hope you are a troll
Totally agree with the premise.
I have always been one to defend Jerry for keeping his guys from over-racing. They always seem to perform best when it counts and that says something. I never thought that they were afraid to race, and he just leaned in on his training methods of building up lots of fitness and strength and then sharpening up with race specific workouts and races.
I am starting to change my mind on the matter given how things have played out this year. They did get in peak shape, and they did still have opportunities to chase fast times.
instead, they ran one good 5k to prove they were still fit and then cowered from chasing after any other fast times. Shelby even said on the podcast with LRC that she wanted to run a 10k this year but did not think Jerry would let her. Do you not think she could even get that AR and that she would still not have plenty of folks in Portland alone to help pace her?
And do not even get me started with Mo... He is a 10k guy and in the peak shape of his life has to settle for a 1500 relay???
Race somebody already wrote:
I’d like to see them legit race another group and stop being so scared to do it.
These time trials are much easier than actual races in a lot of ways. Athletes can focus on themselves and dictate the perfect pace they want and need. They do this without the menatal and sometimes physical stress of competition from equally talented . Without truely racing, another person or by racing someone from their group only, there is very little mental stress in comparison. They are almost just very high level workouts.
As others pointed out.
1) they are doing another meet
2) the 10000m is dead. That’s a bigger waste than 4x1500m
OP, how dare you use the word tragedy to describe Ahmed's lack of a 10000 meter race.
Imagine if you experienced a real tragedy like both your parents and all your siblings were killed in a plane crash coming to visit you in another state for the birth of your child and on top of that your wife dies in childbirth and tests show you are not even the child's biological father.
I bet you'd give less than 2 sh!ts about Ahmed running in a 4 x 1500 track relay then.
Healthy? They are elite athletes. Nothing will happen if they are exposed to the virus.
Good points... the 10k unfortunately is dead although I am still holding out hopes for a 10k cross country addition to the winter or summer olympics to compensate. Now, with that being said, the 10k record books will never be erased and at 12:47 5k speed, a guy like Mo could have put up a historic performance if all the pacing was set up for him to do so.
As far as the other meet, I actually was not aware of it. Good to know, but it still does not remove some of my gripes. Jerry's training is based on months and months of building volume and long intensity (8-12 miles of intervals) to put in as large of a training load as possible to build as big a fitness base as possible. He then has his guys sharpen up with short intense sessions of (2-4 miles) to hone their speed and race specific fitness while also offloading the total fatigue accumulated from all the months of the long, grinding training. This training does not fit what they are doing right now.
I am by no means critiquing Jerry and his approach. His coaching resume is pretty darn impressive. With that in mind, I am still critical of wasting peak fitness. One downside to this linear approach to training is that your window for peak fitness is only a few weeks, and you really have to time it to perfection.
Mo ran 12:47 several weeks ago. I imagine that he was already off loading his volume going into that race. My worry is that his window for peak fitness (along with Shelby) will have already closed before this next race. Sure, he will run a decent time, but it will not be on the same level as the 12:47 and indicative of the kind of fitness he had achieved.
Look, I hope that I am proved wrong... this is just my understanding of the BTC system and the mechanisms of linear periodization.
Say hello to Paulo wrote:
After leaving Ahmed in the lurch in the shape of his life and not setting up a 10k or even a 3k for him is a legit tragedy. So, your big plan was to run him at his peak in a 4x15 relay leg?
Houlihan is the same story. Peak shape squandered on some obscure relay and pace duties. Honestly, it’s borderline shameful.
I’ve defended the team in the past for under racing, avoiding meets, etc; but that stops now. No longer a fan of the BTC.
who in the USA is Moh Ahmed gonna race this fall who can stay with him for 10k? and Who could hang with Shelby? answer: Lopez and Karissa. and guess what, they've raced each other multiple times. every friday actually.
They ran national records in premier events. Who else has done that during these crazy times? Did you get pissed at Rudisha and Bro Colm for not improving on his 1:40.91 the week after the Olympics, when Rudisha would be allowed a rabbit?
MaryS wrote:
OP, how dare you use the word tragedy to describe Ahmed's lack of a 10000 meter race.
Imagine if you experienced a real tragedy like both your parents and all your siblings were killed in a plane crash coming to visit you in another state for the birth of your child and on top of that your wife dies in childbirth and tests show you are not even the child's biological father.
I bet you'd give less than 2 sh!ts about Ahmed running in a 4 x 1500 track relay then.
That's oddly specific.
Definitely a real tragedy as well. Who would even get custody of the baby?
Moh's supposed to run the 5 in Monaco in two weeks, so doing a 1500 as part of relay was good underdistance speedwork. As for the rest who are in great shape (Shelby, Karissa, ?), this criticism is totally justified if their seasons are done without their racing at Monaco or elsewhere in Europe. The 14:20s women absolutely need to be at Monaco.
Say hello to Paulo wrote:
After leaving Ahmed in the lurch in the shape of his life and not setting up a 10k or even a 3k for him is a legit tragedy. So, your big plan was to run him at his peak in a 4x15 relay leg?
Houlihan is the same story. Peak shape squandered on some obscure relay and pace duties. Honestly, it’s borderline shameful.
I’ve defended the team in the past for under racing, avoiding meets, etc; but that stops now. No longer a fan of the BTC.
As a libertarian, I wholeheartedly agree. I think USATF should take a good hard look at their "fair effort" rules and see if BTC is following the letter of the law (I think not). Not to mention Houlihan's voice is so shrill and grating.
I firmly believe that BTC should be fined for this gross transgression. I'm no Trump supporter, but this is exactly the type of thing that will get him reelected in November.
MAGAKAG
zxcvzxcv wrote:
Moh's supposed to run the 5 in Monaco in two weeks, so doing a 1500 as part of relay was good underdistance speedwork. As for the rest who are in great shape (Shelby, Karissa, ?), this criticism is totally justified if their seasons are done without their racing at Monaco or elsewhere in Europe. The 14:20s women absolutely need to be at Monaco.
hmmm so after already setting a national record in the 5k you want Shelby, karisa and whoever else to fly over 10 hours with multiple layovers to france, quarantine for the required period in order to comply with regulations, risk contracting a virus that causes potential longterm damage to their lungs and has killed 3 times as many americans as the Vietnam war just to race another 5k with no guarantee of running any faster.
Got it.
They exist to entertain you.
They ran 10K races at all-comers meets in Eugene in the early 80s. We did a 5K every Tuesday night during the summers in all-comers in the podunk Midwest.
That you have a pay to watch a glorified, bizarro workout by BTC and by whatever other group was running bizarro stuff on a Friday night, during a pandemic, when nothing in the world is going on, says everything that's wrong with T&F all wound up with a bow.
Nobody's going to watch a 10k with maybe 2 or 3 guys in it at a track meet. If they want, they can set up a 10k time trial and Mo can do it on his own time, with teammates pacing.
I don't think he's that shook up about not having to race a 10k.