REALLY good info on covid-19 cases and mortality rates. Best I've seen yet.

Hey brother - you live here in the US don't you? Then you should know that you should never let the facts get in the way of an extreme and excessively emotional point of view designed to leverage ones agenda.

Facts? What facts! :D

Given less than 16% of the population is age 65 or older, it would seem that we are destroying our country's economy for practically nothing. This whole thing has been madness and hysteria from the start.

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Given less than 16% of the population is age 65 or older, it would seem that we are destroying our country's economy for practically nothing. This whole thing has been madness and hysteria from the start.

If it wasn't an election year, the response would much different. It's been politicized way too much. It's all way overblown.

It's worth mentioning also that the reason there are so many deaths from older people is that governors were sending POSITIVE patients to nursing homes and it spread like wildfire in those nursing homes. Those governors and mayors should be prosecuted.

This article shows differences between those with underlying health conditions and those with none.

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-06-16/six-charts-show-how-americans-have-been-affected-by-covid-19

It's worth pointing out the fears and reasons for shutting down aren't and have never been strictly about mortality rate. Italy's big problem wasn't mortality, it was hospital overcrowding. Hospitalization rates are very high and can quickly overwhelm systems.

For every one person who has died so far:

-19 require extended hospital stays

- 10 have permanent lung damage

- 3 have strokes

- 2 have chronic weakness

- 2 have neurological damage

For the guy who said we ruined the economy for this small group, I would say we ruined the economy by not taking it seriously for so long. Lots of other countries are doing well now after handling it better than the US and not having one of their political parties calling it a hoax and placing their personal comfort over the well being of their fellow citizens

Righty Lefty wrote:

It's worth pointing out the fears and reasons for shutting down aren't and have never been strictly about mortality rate. Italy's big problem wasn't mortality, it was hospital overcrowding. Hospitalization rates are very high and can quickly overwhelm systems.

For every one person who has died so far:

-19 require extended hospital stays

- 10 have permanent lung damage

- 3 have strokes

- 2 have chronic weakness

- 2 have neurological damage

For the guy who said we ruined the economy for this small group, I would say we ruined the economy by not taking it seriously for so long. Lots of other countries are doing well now after handling it better than the US and not having one of their political parties calling it a hoax and placing their personal comfort over the well being of their fellow citizens

Maybe part of that has to do more with our black and hispanic population? I don't have the data handy, but last I checked covid cases and deaths were much higher on a per capita basis among those two groups. Other countries who do not have those groups will obviously be doing much better.

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This article shows differences between those with underlying health conditions and those with none.

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-06-16/six-charts-show-how-americans-have-been-affected-by-covid-19

Thanks for that. Really good info there.

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Maybe part of that has to do more with our black and hispanic population? I don't have the data handy, but last I checked covid cases and deaths were much higher on a per capita basis among those two groups. Other countries who do not have those groups will obviously be doing much better.

Seriously? That's such a strange point to make. You know there are whole continents with black and hispanic people right? All of which are doing better than the US (Brazil excluded but for likely the same reasons as us)? The US black and hispanic population is 13 and 16%. They're not the reason are stats are what they are. The reason is a large segment of our population who didn't and still don't take the problem seriously because of a political party casting doubt on it constantly as a matter of strategy and maybe a lack of organizational skills likely caused by loyalty litmus tests that exclude experts in all fields who have ever even mildly doubted the wisdom of dear leader.

Also, you specifically. You are the problem. You personally have caused thousands of deaths. Freaking hispanic and black populations making us look bad???

The stats would be significantly lower if the US was purely white. I'm not trying to make some kind of white-nationalist statement with that. Just stating a fact since blacks and hispanics (and even Asians for that matter) are affected at a much higher rate than would be expected based on their percentage of the population. You even basically said the same thing when you said a large segment of our population isn't taking it seriously. Based on how the cases are represented between our different ethnic groups, what ethnic groups do you think make up that large segment you speak of? Think a little bit, dude.

Some data comparing different nations around the world.

Ok, so based on the data you just shared the countries with the lowest infection rates are countries in Africa that are all Black, such as Gambia, Mozambique, Rwanda, Congo, and Ethiopia. So how do you explain that? And while you are at it, maybe you can explain why a virus is more likely to infect someone on the basis of their race or ethnicity.

Also, Asians are affected at a lower rate than would be expected based on their population. So I guess we can conclude that if the US was purely Asian the stats would be lower?

I bolded the part of your post that I would like to comment on. We have enough data now to show that African Americans and darker-skinned populations in some countries have been hit much harder than whites. In Sweden, for example, minority populations have 3-5 times more cases/100,000 population than native Swedes. What do all these darker-skinned populations have in common?

Genetically, they lack the ability to store vitamin D. Blacks in the US are three times more likely to have vitamin D deficiency than whites. Native Swedes have one of the highest vitamin D levels in the world. What countries have the lowest levels? That would be Italy, Spain, and the US... all countries that have been hit hardest.

I'm seeing an alternative medicine MD next week. Before we even got off the phone, we were discussing the data on vitamin D, magnesium, and zinc.

So why are the African nations coming through this pandemic with LOWER rates of COVID?

I've also wondered why the prevalence of COVID 19 is less in African nations. Obviously, something other than vitamin D is dominating the population's resistance to the disease. Perhaps it's a combination of three major factors, plus vitamin D levels.

1. OBESITY: The obesity rate of adult African Americans is 49%, according to the CDC. The obesity rate in Ethiopia is 4.5%; Congo, 9.6%; Gambia, 10.3%.

1A: OVERWEIGHT: As a continuation of the overweight correlation to COVID, 73% of adult African Americans are overweight. It's not much better with the white US population at 65%. To pick one African nation example, in Ethiopia, 6.9% of women and 1.9% of males were overweight in 2016. (NIH data). Merely being overweight, not yet obese, also seems to be a factor in COVID severity.

2. DIET: Africans have a much different diet and eat far less packaged and fast foods.

3: IMMUNE SYSTEMS: It's speculation my part, but I imagine that as a population, Africans have a stronger immune system for viruses because they are constantly exposed to a lot of very nasty illnesses and viruses. Malaria, in particular, might prove to be an interesting side study.

Obviously, there could be other factors, but the point remains that studies in the US, China, Sweden, Singapore, Turkey, Canada and other nations that I can't think of off the top of my head show a very strong correlation between vitamin D insufficiency and prevalence/severity of COVID 19.

tl;dr Vitamin D might be the secret weapon against COVID 19. At worst, there are no side effects taken at the recommended dose and it costs only ten cents a day. Take it. Now.

One of the articles posted specifically notes the disparity in COVID19 between races in the US. Looks like whites have the least amount of cases relative to their population with asians also coming in with a bit less than their representation. Here is the graph: https://imgur.com/a/nZMVhiq

He posted facts that you don't like so you post some more facts without explaining them? His facts are correct. Few whites are dying in the US. I assume the two reasons for this are that blacks have an unhealthy lifestyle and blacks don't absorb as much Vitamin D. All of the mask police should be scolding every fast oerson they come across because those people chose that lifestyle which is more likely to catch and transmit the disease.

Those countries have low infection rates because nobody is traveling into them and bringing the virus. Nobody goes to Rwanda for vacation.

Additionally, everyone lives very spread out in those countries so it's harder for the virus to spread.

Ummm . . . LOTS of countries have FAR higher percentages of black and hispanic people. Like, ALL of Africa and ALL of Latin America. Odd that most of them are doing better as well.

Ummm. . . Man wrote:

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Maybe part of that has to do more with our black and hispanic population? I don't have the data handy, but last I checked covid cases and deaths were much higher on a per capita basis among those two groups. Other countries who do not have those groups will obviously be doing much better.

Ummm . . . LOTS of countries have FAR higher percentages of black and hispanic people. Like, ALL of Africa and ALL of Latin America. Odd that most of them are doing better as well.

"For every one person who has died so far:

-19 require extended hospital stays

- 10 have permanent lung damage

- 3 have strokes

- 2 have chronic weakness

- 2 have neurological damage "

Source? I challenge. It's too early to know this and where is it coming from anyway?

agip wrote:

Ummm. . . Man wrote:

Ummm . . . LOTS of countries have FAR higher percentages of black and hispanic people. Like, ALL of Africa and ALL of Latin America. Odd that most of them are doing better as well.

"For every one person who has died so far:

-19 require extended hospital stays

- 10 have permanent lung damage

- 3 have strokes

- 2 have chronic weakness

- 2 have neurological damage "

Source? I challenge. It's too early to know this and where is it coming from anyway?

His "source" is his choice to state speculation as fact without consequences. Just like 99% of the pronouncements about covid by the myriad of instant experts on virology/immunology and epidemioloy which spring up here with the stroke of a few keys. Meanwhile those of us with advanced degrees in the sciences are considered by these self-appointed experts as "cranks" and "pro-Trumpers" with an anti-human agenda.

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Given less than 16% of the population is age 65 or older, it would seem that we are destroying our country's economy for practically nothing. This whole thing has been madness and hysteria from the start.

If it wasn't an election year, the response would much different. It's been politicized way too much. It's all way overblown.

It's worth mentioning also that the reason there are so many deaths from older people is that governors were sending POSITIVE patients to nursing homes and it spread like wildfire in those nursing homes. Those governors and mayors should be prosecuted.

This was so bad in New York that Cuomo changed the way they counted nursing home deaths to cover up the disaster. Look it up, there is a reason New York have like 28% of their deaths from nursing homes while everyone else is around 50%. They stopped counting nursing home deaths as nursing home if the patient died outside the nursing home.

Also 89% of New York's covid deaths occurred in people with a co morbidity. And Cuomo went back in time twice to find thousands of unrecorded Covid deaths. I understand we need to cut people some slack in times of crisis, and most people do their best and make mistakes. But theres a difference between accidental mistakes and deliberate misdirection to change a narrative.

One good that has come out of the pandemic, is we are seeing that liberals are having more compassion toward other humans(not including pandering to minorities to get votes). This is a good thing. Hopefully, this movement will lead these same people to realize how valuable all lives are and especially the unborn.