The economy is in shambles.....GDP contracts by record 32.9%

libs are sheep wrote:

So when the economy was doing incredibly well, the "5 time bankrupt reality tv host" had nothing to do with that right?

Now that we voluntarily shut it all down, he's to blame for everything.

Makes sense, moran

Logic applies both ways. Either he gets all the credit and takes all the responsibility, or none of it.

I have a 401 K, so while I KNOW his policies benefit him and his rich friends they also helped put a little coin in my retirement account. We can discuss just how much of that Obama deserves credit for later. But, as much as I acknowledge that this man has ruined our country, I have always conceded that he put some cash in my pocket. But his awful response has resulted in this pandemic lingering. If we had taken this thing seriously from the jump, we would be on our way to a more sustainable recovery. Make no mistake about it, our leaders (on both sides) have to shoulder the responsibility for this s**t storm. But the Presidents' job is to LEAD. He hasn't. So he has to take the largest blame.

Bad Wigins wrote:

libs are sheep wrote:

So when the economy was doing incredibly well, the "5 time bankrupt reality tv host" had nothing to do with that right?

Now that we voluntarily shut it all down, he's to blame for everything.

Makes sense, moran

This is exactly why the Democrats who govern the lockdown states pushed so hard for it. No sitting president loses reelection in a good economy, so they literally decided to destroy it and hope to blame it on him.

Restarted the cold war, attempted a coup... this is the third strike. They should be outlawed.

It's true! Every developed country in the world intentionally destroyed their economics to get Trump out of office! Genius!!

CancelLRC wrote:

If the country collapses can it please take this site with it, along with the fringe right wingers who squat here all day every day?

I know its annoying for you libs to hear stuff you don't agree with. Its easier to cancel everything. 1st amendment is alive..for now.

Lion belt wrote:

Harambe wrote:

We tried that. How is it going for us in the USA?

You did not try.

Recessions are an effect of lockdown not of covid deaths.

Not true. Data shows people were staying at home well before mandated shelter in places. Data shows places like Sweden with no national shelter in place are still getting hammered economically.

I don't think you have any evidence otherwise. Just making stuff up.

Turns out that having a pandemic is bad for the economy! Especially when you can't muster a strong response for more than a few weeks, like in the US.

runnerw wrote:

You need to adjust your talking points - they never change.

That's called the "pooh pooh" fallacy. Can you prove me wrong, or just talk smack?

You CAN'T prove me wrong. I'm the #1 debater on this forum and you damn well know it. You won't even try. You're chicken. Try a rational argument, I dare you.

Bad Wigins wrote:

runnerw wrote:

You need to adjust your talking points - they never change.

That's called the "pooh pooh" fallacy. Can you prove me wrong, or just talk smack?

You CAN'T prove me wrong. I'm the #1 debater on this forum and you damn well know it. You won't even try. You're chicken. Try a rational argument, I dare you.

Prove you wrong about what? You stated that no sitting president loses reelection in a good economy. Another poster already cited examples in 1968 and 1952 that disproved that assertion.

Bad Wigins wrote:

You CAN'T prove me wrong.

2600? You'll dismiss that though.

Yes, the Trump experiment was a massive and totally predictable failure. Dems if we all agree to vote for Joe in November will you guys stop acting like COVID is the end of the world and let us get back to normal life?

The blinders on people not to realize the incredible economic damage being done is incredible. Even if we reach the high bar on COVID death projections of 300K that is a drop in the bucket compared to what this recession will do over the next 5-10 years. Not to mention the difference between continuing to shut down the country vs open in deaths will be minimal, it's just do we pay the price now or over the next 6 months.

runnerw wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

That's called the "pooh pooh" fallacy. Can you prove me wrong, or just talk smack?

You CAN'T prove me wrong. I'm the #1 debater on this forum and you damn well know it. You won't even try. You're chicken. Try a rational argument, I dare you.

Prove you wrong about what? You stated that no sitting president loses reelection in a good economy. Another poster already cited examples in 1968 and 1952 that disproved that assertion.

Not to distract from your discussion but Truman and LBJ both voluntarily decided not to run for re-election. They did not lose.

Bad Wigins wrote:

I'm the #1 debater on this forum

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Primo Numero Uno wrote:

Yes, the Trump experiment was a massive and totally predictable failure. Dems if we all agree to vote for Joe in November will you guys stop acting like COVID is the end of the world and let us get back to normal life?

The blinders on people not to realize the incredible economic damage being done is incredible. Even if we reach the high bar on COVID death projections of 300K that is a drop in the bucket compared to what this recession will do over the next 5-10 years. Not to mention the difference between continuing to shut down the country vs open in deaths will be minimal, it's just do we pay the price now or over the next 6 months.

Aren't you the one who wants no more stimulus or UI benefits either?

So, ignore COVID = death. Don't help anyone who's out of work = evictions.

You have no plan. Just complaining.

Look at Europe. They are opening up. We could be there if people like you hadn't kept their heads in the sand for the last 2 months.

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

runnerw wrote:

Prove you wrong about what? You stated that no sitting president loses reelection in a good economy. Another poster already cited examples in 1968 and 1952 that disproved that assertion.

Not to distract from your discussion but Truman and LBJ both voluntarily decided not to run for re-election. They did not lose.

Why did they decide not to run? Because they were very unpopular and knew they would lose. This was despite having strong economies.

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

Yes, the Trump experiment was a massive and totally predictable failure. Dems if we all agree to vote for Joe in November will you guys stop acting like COVID is the end of the world and let us get back to normal life?

The blinders on people not to realize the incredible economic damage being done is incredible. Even if we reach the high bar on COVID death projections of 300K that is a drop in the bucket compared to what this recession will do over the next 5-10 years. Not to mention the difference between continuing to shut down the country vs open in deaths will be minimal, it's just do we pay the price now or over the next 6 months.

The progression of COVID deniers is amazing. Step 1: It is a hoax. There won't be an outbreak in the US. Step 2: The virus is harmless. It is just another upper respiratory infection. A few people in nursing homes were dying anyway. Step 3: It is a dangerous virus, but the cure is worse than the disease. We need to open up and let people who are low risk resume normal life. Step 4: Final end game. Normalization. COVID 19 is going to kill hundreds of thousands, but it is just going to have to be that way because the economy is more important. COVID 19 is like the automobile. It kills thousands of people every year, but we have no choice but to live with that risk.

The reality is that the economy is going to be a thousand times better if we take the virus seriously and get it under control than if we let it run rampant. People aren't going to give up their lives for the economy. My wife works in the schools. There are so many teachers signing up for FMLA and CARES Act leave that the HR department has all the mangers processing the applications with all the other HR workers. Get the virus under control and there will be a chance for the economy to come back.

That is correct. I would rather deal with some short term pain than extended long term pain which will be much worse. If the Federal government had not extended benefits, small business loans, etc there never would have been shutdowns. People would have decided facing the virus would have been far worse than losing jobs, businesses, housing, etc. The states would have caved and not put in place these restrictions. I think we've created a super crappy place right now where a lot of business failure is inevitable. But I think the best thing to do right is pull off the band-aid and deal with the pain to allow economic recovery to occur. Having the federal government finance that never works, it will just make the economy continue to limp along while depending on the federal government.

Trump ran this the dumbest way possible. Set aside all the nonsense about Lysol, masks, not wanting to count Princess Cruise patients in US numbers. If he truly wanted to get America going again, which by all indications he did, all he had to do was refuse federal aid and force the states to finance their own shutdowns which they couldn't. By continuing to foot the bill he allowed this to continue.

To be fair Roy. I have been on step 4: normalization since this began, and I don't see it as I would directly trade COVID lives for the economy as that assumes our response is not causing societal harm now and it will not continue into the future. I have been consistent that the damage of the virus is far less than the damage of the response

I have never denied COVID is a thing. Although I have always disagreed with the MSM assumption of its severity. When this first became a thing in March and the social distancing and shutdowns started I did stop and say, ok well a lot of experts are saying this is something we need to be cautious of, I'll give us a couple of weeks because they have a lot more information then I do. But at every step of the way it has been found to be far less severe than was though in March yet the hysteria has continued to build.

If you told the American public this thing has a fatality rate somewhere between 1X to 3X the flu back in March far and wide we would have said, who cares we'll live with that. But people were told 40X or 30X. This virus isn't bad enough that we're willing to lose weight and get the proper Vitamin D to fight it, but by God I'm not going to work or near anyone outside my house who doesn't have a mask on.

Proof is in the pudding. Shutdown to gain control over high infection rates, reopen very slowly and carefully and you will have good economic activity. Let the virus run rampant and economic activity will be far worse than in countries that did the right thing.

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Impressive that you still post here. Brave.

Libs are loving them some covid 19. Whether they know it or not they are getting spoon fed this covid hysteria daily. Sheep lining up for the slaughter.

And geez the teachers. Im sorry but we all know how left the acedemia world leans and ill be dang if they don't want to go back to work. Keep getting your salary via tax payers but its not safe to work. That's fine, teach online for half the pay..i bet safety isn't an issue for near as many if that were the case.

Squeaking wheels will get the grease, but if you keep squeaking you'll get replaced.

Bad Wigins wrote:

You CAN'T prove me wrong. I'm the #1 debater on this forum and you damn well know it.

This is just sad. Poor fella.