New World Athletics rules on stack height for track events -
https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1096785/world-athletics-shoe-technology-update
It says these rules apply to track spikes. So are you allowed to wear nonspikes with a larger stack height (ie, any of the current top end road shoes) for track races like a 5km?
Endorphiner wrote:
New World Athletics rules on stack height for track events -
https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1096785/world-athletics-shoe-technology-updateIt says these rules apply to track spikes. So are you allowed to wear nonspikes with a larger stack height (ie, any of the current top end road shoes) for track races like a 5km?
In the PDF it says "any shoe..." so I presume that also means shoes without spikes. For 800m and up the maximum thickness of the sole is 25mm. For road events it is 40mm.
Another giver of +1 wrote:
Endorphiner wrote:
New World Athletics rules on stack height for track events -
It says these rules apply to track spikes. So are you allowed to wear nonspikes with a larger stack height (ie, any of the current top end road shoes) for track races like a 5km?
In the PDF it says "any shoe..." so I presume that also means shoes without spikes. For 800m and up the maximum thickness of the sole is 25mm. For road events it is 40mm.
Does the NCAA follow WA rules? No more Vaporflies for BYU, like they used at the NCAAs?
What idiots would use vaporfly on track for a 5k?
They would be great for college runners that are just training through a meet, want to score some points but not rip up their calves.
why this wrote:
What idiots would use vaporfly on track for a 5k?
Lots of people. They're faster than spikes, at least for a time trial type effort. Probably wouldn't make as much sense to wear them in a championship where you have to run a blazing last lap off of a slower pace.
Some ultras are run on the track. If this rule applies to track ultras then most running shoes would not be allowed. Ultra 24hr track races would have to be run in spikes or other type of very minimalist shoes.
800 dude wrote:
why this wrote:
What idiots would use vaporfly on track for a 5k?
Lots of people. They're faster than spikes, at least for a time trial type effort. Probably wouldn't make as much sense to wear them in a championship where you have to run a blazing last lap off of a slower pace.
Who says you can't sprint in Vaporflies? Most of the six BYU guys in the NCAA 10000 final were wearing Vaporflies.
https://media.thechurchnews.com/archive/3e4bf07537/e-1-4604.jpeg800 dude wrote:
why this wrote:
What idiots would use vaporfly on track for a 5k?
Lots of people. They're faster than spikes, at least for a time trial type effort. Probably wouldn't make as much sense to wear them in a championship where you have to run a blazing last lap off of a slower pace.
I think the vaporflys work well for people who might not get as much benefit from wearing spikes. If you are a heel striker than spikes might not be a good decision.
This was always the problem I had with the argument that some people are nonresponders to the vaporfly. Well, some people are nonresponders to track spikes but those are legal.
Also it seems like they wouldn't allow the Zoom Streak 6 or 7 since they are both 26mm.
The 25mm stack height seems like a very strict limit.
Seems like part of this ruling - intentionally or not - is to sell more shoes.
Say you are a 5000/10000 runner who is a fan of the Vaporflies. You would just as soon wear them for a track race if given the option... but I guess you have to buy the next super-spike now (which will inevitably have a stack height of 25 mm, so if you want to race 800 meters or shorter, you'll need another pair of shoes)!
Pop Tarts wrote:
800 dude wrote:
Lots of people. They're faster than spikes, at least for a time trial type effort. Probably wouldn't make as much sense to wear them in a championship where you have to run a blazing last lap off of a slower pace.
Who says you can't sprint in Vaporflies? Most of the six BYU guys in the NCAA 10000 final were wearing Vaporflies.
Of course you can sprint in them, but if you were trying to close in 52" then spikes might give you an advantage
Hardloper wrote:
Of course you can sprint in them, but if you were trying to close in 52" then spikes might give you an advantage
Probably not. The Vaporflies improve running economy over spikes by a substantial amount, so when you get to the sprint in a distance race, you have more left. That's like extra fitness. Analogous to how Edris and Barega would wipe the floor with Jakob Ingebrigtsen at the end of a 5000 though they would stand no chance at 1500.
From the study below:
Results: The Nike Vaporfly shoe improved running economy by 2.6 ± 1.3% compared with the Nike Zoom Matumbo.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30374945/why this wrote:
What idiots would use vaporfly on track for a 5k?
Gwen Jorgenson.
800 dude wrote:
why this wrote:
What idiots would use vaporfly on track for a 5k?
Lots of people. They're faster than spikes,
Lolol sure they are.
Pop Tarts wrote:
Hardloper wrote:
Of course you can sprint in them, but if you were trying to close in 52" then spikes might give you an advantage
Probably not. The Vaporflies improve running economy over spikes by a substantial amount, so when you get to the sprint in a distance race, you have more left. That's like extra fitness. Analogous to how Edris and Barega would wipe the floor with Jakob Ingebrigtsen at the end of a 5000 though they would stand no chance at 1500.
From the study below:
Results: The Nike Vaporfly shoe improved running economy by 2.6 ± 1.3% compared with the Nike Zoom Matumbo.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30374945/
Forgive me for not putting too much stock in 4 x 5 min with spikes on a treadmill.
half tights wrote:
800 dude wrote:
Lots of people. They're faster than spikes,
Lolol sure they are.
I really think that it depends on the athlete. If we are strictly talking about pros then spikes will probably be the better option for a 5k. However, if we are talking about the general population I don't think that some guy who is running 18 minutes in the 5k will benefit too much from spikes.
UmbrellaMan wrote:
half tights wrote:
Lolol sure they are.
I really think that it depends on the athlete. If we are strictly talking about pros then spikes will probably be the better option for a 5k. However, if we are talking about the general population I don't think that some guy who is running 18 minutes in the 5k will benefit too much from spikes.
I can agree that the benefit of spikes varies from person to person.
half tights wrote:
Pop Tarts wrote:
Probably not. The Vaporflies improve running economy over spikes by a substantial amount, so when you get to the sprint in a distance race, you have more left. That's like extra fitness. Analogous to how Edris and Barega would wipe the floor with Jakob Ingebrigtsen at the end of a 5000 though they would stand no chance at 1500.
From the study below:
Results: The Nike Vaporfly shoe improved running economy by 2.6 ± 1.3% compared with the Nike Zoom Matumbo.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30374945/Forgive me for not putting too much stock in 4 x 5 min with spikes on a treadmill.
I put more stock in it than your guess.
Pop Tarts wrote:
half tights wrote:
Forgive me for not putting too much stock in 4 x 5 min with spikes on a treadmill.
I put more stock in it than your guess.
It's not a "guess" to know that running on a treadmill with spikes is nothing like running on an elite track with spikes.
Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
Jakob Ingebrigtsen has a 1989 Ferrari 348 GTB and he's just put in paperwork to upgrade it
Move over Mark Coogan, Rojo and John Kellogg share their 3 favorite mile workouts
Mark Coogan says that if you could only do 3 workouts as a 1500m runner you should do these
