Haile G’s Hotels Burn Down

Nuh-uh wrote:

On what levels

The leftist says, "The Democrats are the only ones who can make America great by bringing in more Oromos, Palestinians, and Iranians into our cities. They will bring us peace, jobs, entertainment, and delicious food. Americans are dumb and racist, so we need to bring in people from the Third World to replace us and vote for Democrats. We need to fight against the white patriarchy. Only the poor, uneducated, violent people of the Third World can guide us into the future of the 21st century."

The leftist says, "The white male is the problem who does nothing but steal instead of growing and producing jobs."

borders wrote:

Hard existing in a peaceful equilibrium if a border now... includes some part of some other group, all now supposed to be governed under the same political entity.

I'm glad that this situation has sold you on the merits of the ethnostate.

Runner10287 wrote:

borders wrote:

Unfortunately colonizers carving the continent up during the last couple centuries into "countries" with little regard to existing ethnic, cultural, and political dynamics has only blown this up. Hard existing in a peaceful equilibrium if a border now splits your ethnic group in half and includes some part of some other group, all now supposed to be governed under the same political entity. And also having to start with ravaged economic and social infrastructure.

America has more diverse and more ethnic groups and we are excepted to get along.

We don't

facts and reason wrote:

The leftist says, "The white male is the problem who does nothing but steal instead of growing and producing jobs."

Irrespective of leanings, is that statement incorrect when referring to colonisation?

Colonisation of Africa's primary (if not only ) original purpose was to create wealth for the European countries. They fought each other for control of those colonies and their mineral wealth.

The settlement of it was a secondary consequence that presented problems with locals much later.

You make as if white guys boarded ships to sail treacherous waters in order to create jobs for locals in faraway unsettled places.

To this day they control the majority of the mineral wealth out of there.

Brittle Master 1958 wrote:

borders wrote:

Unfortunately colonizers carving the continent up during the last couple centuries into "countries" with little regard to existing ethnic, cultural, and political dynamics has only blown this up.

This point has been over-emphasized.

Do you think African tribes were living in prosperous peace and harmony before colonizers showed up?

I majored in poli sci back in the day, and in my international development course, I learned that the most stable Third World countries were generally the ones that had been colonized by the British and had a set of reasonably stable institutions imposed on them.

In other words, the countries that had been most thoroughly colonized for the longest period of time, were doing the best in the modern world. Other countries that were doing their own thing tended to do less well.

The level of so called white supremacy is astounding. You white guys really think you are the savior of the world. Human life is from Ethiopia, not Europe. So you "learned" in college that the most stable countries where the ones that were colonized by the British. Obviously a white man from England said that. LOL. Everywhere the white man has gone, he has brought nothing but death and destruction to the original inhabitants and the survivors relegated to 2nd class citizens in their own land. One of the most evil persons ever was King Leopold. Did they discuss this complete POS in your political science class?

I am Sam wrote:

AU wrote:

Unfortunately, in Africa violent tribal and ethnic clashes within a country is a daily occurrence. Then, add to that xenophobia (that nice euphemism for hatred by black people for other black people in their country but who were born in another country ) and racism (the generally defined black <--> white hatred), and you have a daily soup of violence and destruction which is one of the contributing factors why the vast majority of African countries just don't seem to be able to move forward, their economies are stagnant, and the people remain destitute.

Source - I've been living in Africa my whole life and have seen different variations of this movie play out countless times.

Africa is quite a vast continent. You should qualify by which countries you refer to.

Daily occurrences of violent tribal and ethnic clashes ???

Yeah, Africa is vast. I've been to and worked in many African countries (southern, central, eastern, western) during the past 20 years. You will be hard pressed to find a single one where there aren't regular tribal friction. Off the top of my head, maybe Namibia or Botswana in recent years. The rest all have history of clashes. Remember, not all clashes are reported on by BBC and CNN, you will have to read other sources.

Right1000 wrote:

One of the most evil persons ever was King Leopold. Did they discuss this complete POS in your political science class?

One heck of a guy, would put the Kim Jongs to shame....chopped off hands of locals were used as currency for spent bullets where the rubber quota wasn't reached.

As for stability, probably the most stable of countries is Botswana (Nijel Amos' land), and they were probably the 'least colonised'.

AU wrote:

Yeah, Africa is vast. I've been to and worked in many African countries (southern, central, eastern, western) during the past 20 years. You will be hard pressed to find a single one where there aren't regular tribal friction. Off the top of my head, maybe Namibia or Botswana in recent years. The rest all have history of clashes. Remember, not all clashes are reported on by BBC and CNN, you will have to read other sources.

But you can safely ride a motorbike alone from South Africa through Botswana, Zambia (even Zim), Tanzania, Rwanda, Uganda, Kenya.

Haven't tried Malawi, nor the west coast route, but working on that. Covid will postpone plans to 2023. Namibia, Angola (nowadays after the wars sponsored by USA and Russia, landmines mostly eradicated and people peaceful), are fine, but DRC (Leopolds old colony ) still suffering some severe PTSD...so maybe a portage issue hopping over that, otherwise ok.

Sorry to disappoint both sides in this heated debate about the impact of colonization on Africa, but Ethiopia is one of the only countries in Sub-Saharan Africa that was never colonized. Carry on though. It is pretty funny to read the posts of the people who don’t know this and just assume that every African country is the same.

Right1000 wrote:

Everywhere the white man has gone, he has brought nothing but death and destruction to the original inhabitants

I told you guys. This is what leftists think.

"By 1901 India had a rail network covering 25,373 miles."

"The oldest educational institute in India that is still functional is the Serampore College in Howrah, West Bengal. In 1818, a trio of English missionaries - William Carey, Joshua Marshman and William Ward - had established the college that still churns out scholars and thousands of graduates every year".

AU wrote:

I am Sam wrote:

Africa is quite a vast continent. You should qualify by which countries you refer to.

Daily occurrences of violent tribal and ethnic clashes ???

Yeah, Africa is vast. I've been to and worked in many African countries (southern, central, eastern, western) during the past 20 years. You will be hard pressed to find a single one where there aren't regular tribal friction. Off the top of my head, maybe Namibia or Botswana in recent years. The rest all have history of clashes. Remember, not all clashes are reported on by BBC and CNN, you will have to read other sources.

As opposed to the peaceful history of Western Europe, you mean?

Oppressors always find "justification" for their oppression by calling attention to the supposed faults/inferiority of those they oppress.

The bottom line: we're all equally human, and the world is mostly f*cked up by the unethical (racist, nationalist, classist, etc) actions of our predecessors on the planet. One thing that will most certainly not help the situation is doubling down on racism, nationalism, and classism.

How about we try education, humility, and respect? Not likely on Letsrun I know but still...

So when in the future will it no longer be the long gone colonizers fault that almost the entire continent is still a __________.

Blaming is so much easier than taking responsibility even though it rarely produces results.

Yeah, I never claimed one couldn't live, work or holiday in African countries. Africa is great, I actually can't really imagine living anywhere else in the world.

But the fact remains, somewhere, someone from one tribe is planning to attack, revenge an attack, or steal something from another tribe. One just does not read about it in the papers.

Note, I'm not claiming it doesn't happen in other continents as well. I've been to many non-African countries as well and from what I've seen and read things tend to be the same the world over.

Never claimed that non-African countries are peaceful, or that Western Europe has peaceful history. I agree with you that we're all human and large has the same tendencies. Education, humility and respect from both side will go a long way to make this world a better place.

Unfortunately, racism or the euphemistically called "xenophobia" (what black on black hatred / intolerance is called here in Africa), nationalism and tribalism is still very strong in Africa and there is ample evidence of that reported in both left as well as right leaning newspapers. There is no use in denying it.

Brittle Master 1958 wrote:

borders wrote:

Unfortunately colonizers carving the continent up during the last couple centuries into "countries" with little regard to existing ethnic, cultural, and political dynamics has only blown this up.

This point has been over-emphasized.

Do you think African tribes were living in prosperous peace and harmony before colonizers showed up?

I majored in poli sci back in the day, and in my international development course, I learned that the most stable Third World countries were generally the ones that had been colonized by the British and had a set of reasonably stable institutions imposed on them.

In other words, the countries that had been most thoroughly colonized for the longest period of time, were doing the best in the modern world. Other countries that were doing their own thing tended to do less well.

You majored in western propaganda big fella. Swallowed it all with no gag reflex too by the looks of it.

Haile is Oromo but the folks looting & burning are a different sect/region. The PM is Oromo but the looters have stated he isn’t a “real” Oromo. Google “Qeerroo”: https://www.pscp.tv/HumanRights102/1OwxWLyvzYNKQ

Ethiopia was colonized by Italy, wasn't it?

yoyoyoyoyo wrote:

Ethiopia was colonized by Italy, wasn't it?

No. They tried and failed.